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Do you have a great idea for a business?
Is there a new product you want to create?
To discover how to improve your chances for success, I interview Pat Flynn.
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The Social Media Marketing podcast is an on-demand talk radio show from Social Media Examiner. It's designed to help busy marketers and business owners discover what works with social media marketing.
In this episode I interview Pat Flynn, the host of the Smart Passive Income Podcast, who blogs at smartpassiveincome.com and helps hundreds of thousands of entrepreneurs and aspiring entrepreneurs build their dream businesses. His latest book is called Will it Fly? How to Test Your Next Business Idea So You Don't Waste Your Time and Money.
Pat will explore how to increase the likelihood that your next product idea is successful.
You'll discover ways to test and validate your ideas.
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Here are some of the things you'll discover in this show:
Building Business Ideas That Succeed
How Pat's architect background has helped him in business
When Pat started in online business, he taught architects how to take the lead exam. He shares that people reached out to him and thanked him for helping them in their careers, and he says that feeling was different from anything he experienced in the world of architecture.
Pat talks about what he did and didn't like about working as an architect, and how the long-term process of breaking a giant project down into chunks helped him when he started in entrepreneurship. He says the process of working hard on a building, planning ahead, and not knowing what it will be like until people are actually using it all translate to building and launching product.
Architects and entrepreneurs go through similar processes, Pat says. Each of them are building a solution for a client's problem. As you build it, you make changes, you pivot and you learn as you go. To be successful in any business you need to learn how to adapt and solve other people's problems.
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Why Pat wrote a book about the pre-launch phase
In addition to Pat's weekly Smart Passive Income podcast, he does a show called AskPat, during which he answers a voice mail question submitted from his audience via SpeakPipe.
One of the most common questions asked is “How do I know if this idea I am working on is worth spending the time?” He tried to answer this question on both shows and found there wasn't enough time for him to cover the topic.
The topic was validated through an audience survey (Pat uses SurveyMonkey) in early 2015, when he segmented the people who said they had yet to start a business. By far, their number one concern was not wanting to waste time on something that might not be successful.
That's when Pat decided he needed to write a book to people with amazing ideas, that might be life-changing products or services, move forward.
Listen to the show to hear the reason behind the title of Pat's new book.
Making mistakes
Assumptions are great because they are ideas, Pat explains. However, if you act on those assumptions without knowing whether it's something people would actually pay for, that's when you have an issue.
Pat shares how a couple of WordPress plugin ideas he had turned into a $15,000 mistake. He didn't discuss the ideas with anybody because it was such a good idea, he didn't want to share it. Plus, he wanted to keep it a secret in order to have an awesome reveal on launch day.
Had he simply discussed these ideas with his target audience and people in his mastermind groups, it would have been clear that the idea was merely a starting point. He could have gotten feedback and turned it into something that would actually work.
Pat believes that a ritual of becoming an entrepreneur is that you have to fail. He says his book starts with a story about teaching his three-year-old son how to build a paper airplane and explains why that story is a great metaphor for business.
Listen to the show to hear about the incorrect assumptions I made when I launched My Kids Adventures.
Developing ideas
Pat explains that every successful business is a solution to someone's problem. As you develop your idea and do research, it will morph into of a solution.
In Will it Fly?, Pat shares how to research your audience and market. One of Pat's favorite things is called the Market Map. This is where you discover the three Ps of your audience:
- The Places your target audience resides, online or offline.
- The People (influencers) who already have some sort of trust with that target audience.
- Similar or alternate Products that are already out there.
Pat discusses how to use the Market Map to develop and improve your new idea.
Next, Pat says, it's time to get into your customer's head. He shares how you can use his Customer PLAN to create customer avatars in a more realistic way.
You use both the Market Map and the Customer PLAN to understand the needs of your customer and come up with the solution. That's the idea you test and put through the validation process.
Listen to the show to discover what the acronym PLAN stands for.
Testing and validation
You never know for sure if something's going to work, but you can give yourself a much better chance and reduce the failure rate by testing it, Pat explains, and discusses going through the validation process for his Smart Podcast Player.
Pat talks about different levels of validation and explains why you need to have people vote with their payments, using preorders and preselling.
It's sort of a combination between Eric Ries and the Lean Startup's methodology of the Minimum Viable Product and getting people to actually pay for something before it's built, like with Kickstarter and Indiegogo. When you validate by getting a certain number of people to pre-order a product, you are more motivated to create it.
Pat says the first person he remembers talking about testing was Timothy Ferriss back in 2007. In his book The Four Hour Work Week, a chapter called Testing the Muse ran through a validation process for an ecommerce product: French Sailor Shirts.
To validate that product idea, he paid for Google AdWords to get cold traffic onto a sales page that had a Buy Now button. He tracked clicks to determine if there was a demand, but because there was nothing to actually buy, the page would say they were out of stock.
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Pat shares the framework for his own validation process. First, get in front of an audience.It doesn't have to be your audience and his book outlines eight different ways to get in front of somebody else's audience. Next, hyper-target. Get the attention of the specific people within your audience who need your solution. You need to get people to raise their hands and say, “Yes, I have that problem.”
After that, reach out to those people to tell them you have a solution for their problem and go through the process of asking for the transaction. Once you validate, work with those people, and move forward into the large scale launch.
Pat shares how Noah Kagan from AppSumo publicly validated Sumo Jerky and is making five figures a month from the idea.
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Key takeaways mentioned in this episode:
- Learn more about Pat.
- Read Will it Fly?
- Follow @PatFlynn on Twitter.
- Listen to the Smart Passive Income Podcast and AskPat.
- Explore Pat's Green Exam Academy.
- Learn more about SpeakPipe and SurveyMonkey.
- Check out Pat's Smart Podcast Player.
- Explore Eric Ries' The Lean Startup Methodology, as well as Kickstarter and Indiegogo.
- Read Timothy Ferriss' The 4-Hour Work Week and learn about testing the muse.
- Learn more about Noah Kagan, AppSumo and Sumo Jerky.
- Check out TinyPNG.
- Follow me, subscribe and listen to the Social Media Examiner weekly blabs.
- Learn more about the 2016 Social Media Marketing World.
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