What are your thoughts about outsourcing? Domestic and Foreign? (14 posts)

Topic tags: outsourcing
  • I have been engaged in a discussion offline about the big wave of outsourcing and the economy. Do you have an issue with companies that outsource to foreign workers? E-Lance, O-desk, etc? 

  • In recent years I have had a “stop” moment regarding outsourcing to another country.

    But recently I was reminded of a work contract I sold to a customer that required indexing of microfilmed documents way back in 1987. I contracted with a Jamaican company and it worked out very well for all concerned.

    On reflection, I established the parameters, and performed a QA here in AL and any errors were corrected promptly.  Keep in mind the date. No internet, 2-3rd generation IBM personal computers, D-Base software.  It worked.

    So establishing specific requirements/parameters, double check and be confident going in errors are correct promptly. That is my advice. Should not be to hard with today;s technology.

    Now I am not talking about Help Desk/Call Centers but it seems all would still apply. Due Diligence and Caution always required regardless if here or off shore.

  • @jasonwiser I think @trudy has good points. There are times when it simply makes sense for a business. But, when there are potential language barriers, you must be careful to be structured with your requests and your expectations need to be clear, as well as time limits, etc.

    Read Tim Ferriss’ The 4-Hour Work Week; it will detail this and how to determine the right choice

  • @jasonwiser, I’ve worked with outsourcers in all different countries and have learned to modify both my instructions and my expectations depending on the person. You have to take into account any language barriers, training needed, and their motivation. For someone that’s not a native English speaker, you also have to be very careful not to use any slang or jargon, unless you’re prepared to explain it. For example, I work with a woman in Argentina who is also learning to be a translator. So I use some American expressions and explain them to her so that she’ll learn them. She’s a classic example of someone who is bright and willing to work hard, so it’s well worth my time to teach her different skills. On the other hand, I had a writer right here in the States who I just gave up on after a few efforts to teach her better writing skills. With the internet, there’s no reason not to outsource to wherever you can find the best people for a reasonable price, unless there’s a need to see them face-to-face on a regular basis. I love the international side of internet marketing and working with people around the world, including all the challenges that come with it. It’s half the fun!

  • @jasonwiser

    It sounds more like you’re not asking for the “how do I make it work?” but rather, “is it ethical/OK for me to outsource?”

    That’s a tough question for a lot of businesses, especially with so much unemployment. 

    I know here in Maine people complain when people outsource to other parts of the country and especially out of the US. I’m sure it’s similar other places w/in the US (and around the world.)

    Although we currently don’t outsource internationally, we have in the past, and I’m OK w/that.

    I’m able to employee 8 other “Mainers” in part because we outsourced certain work that wasn’t in our core competency or that we didn’t get enough of to hire another employee for.

    While I’m not thrilled to see work leaving the country, I know that w/o some outsourcing I wouldn’t have been able to grow my company to the size it is today.

  • @jasonwiser In the past, if I had work to “outsource” I would always look for someone in my town, first, then near by town, then in my state, then somewhere in our country, etc. I would get progressively larger and start to look at other countries as a last resort. I’ve used technical talent from Ukraine, India, and Malaysia but only for those tasks/projects that I just didn’t have enough time to do myself and I could still do value-add on top of what I paid for and was still able to make a little profit. Not sure if that helps.

    Odesk, Elancer … I’ve never used them but I hear pretty good things about them.

    Good luck!

  • @jasonwiser Outsourcing has gotten a bad rap because of the big mega corporations that are moving essential jobs to foreign markets. Often, it’s not really about leveraging the best talent nor finding the most efficient set-up, but more an effort to keep their earnings artificially high  (ie by lowering their payroll and tax expenses) and thus keep their shareholders and other outside investors happy. (oh, and often their own pockets full)
    With small business owners, it’s a totally different story… When it’s done right, the money saved from hiring an overseas virtual assistant or professional can do wonders to a small business’ cash flow and overall health. I’ve worked with several VA’s that were based overseas and I’ve seen it with my own businesses…

    That said, if you’re asking if it’s ethical, the answer is it really depends on the intentions of the business seeking to outsource, the availability of a local, qualified workforce, and the real budgetary constraints in question.

  • I have had some good experiences sourcing internationally and others not so good and will not be using again. Often cheaper is not always better and can end up costing you more in the long run. I would rather now pay more money for better quality.

    I use local people for most things and only outsource a small part internationally  where they are expert, understand our niche market and allow us to remain competitive.

    Not sure if e-lance etc you are talking about is the same as freelancer and  people per hour etc. .  I dont use as I am not a fan of the auction process and think it devalues what we do.

  • For my businesses I keep employment within the U.S. – Some clients do outsource, and that is their decision, as it should be.

    Personal business ethics mostly. My client base is largely U.S. commercial entities; wherever their goods or services come from is not my call.

    I look in the U.S. when I need help with research or other areas of temporary work. 

    My biggest complaint is with the fact that there are no longer any checks and balances as there used to be (think keypunch and verifying). Errors are only caught if someone is laying real human eyes on every word, reference and equation for any given project.  If I have to have someone here doing those checks, I might as well hire that person to do the work.

    It’s been some years since I checked any outsourcing places online. What most people might be looking for, I either have in house or don’t need anyhowsen.

    I DO think big business could do better. That’s where the money is and regulators have not kept that money (and thus, those jobs) in the U.S. Money makes the world go ’round and when your country is strangling from lack of it (to provide jobs, etc.) you go downhill pretty darn fast.

  • Sorry I did not get back to this right away, but i do want to thank you all for the input. I was not so much looking to find the answer for my business personally, but I think it is  very important question. I do outsource. There are some things we simply could not afford domestically. But it is a heated discussion ethically especially considering today’s economy, and I wanted to hear what others here at SME clubs had to say. 

    Though i do appreciate the answers given by @trudy @joanmuschampfagnani and @srsheldon@rich-brooks is correct that i was asking more about the ethics of the issue. My father always taught me, unless you are directly involved in politics, never tell anyone who you voted for. The same could apply to divulging if you outsource, to some degree. 

    I really appreciate your answer @adamgottlieb. For small business, it just makes sense if it works. For example we install a lot of low cost premium websites and we need graphics, logos, and layouts. These items are cost prohibitive stateside for this particular niche. 

  • I can’t resist playing both sides on this. On the one side I think loyalty in business has its place, if there is a good local service provider I think it does feel more right to consider them first.  On the other side I think being protectionist can make your world smaller and as a result you can often miss out on opportunities that may occur simply because you aren’t looking around you.  @adamgottlieb has it spot on when he says that outsourcing has many advantages for small business. Outsourcing revolutionized my travel business and is the only reason I have a writing career. 98% of my clients are international. What I love about outsourcing is that it gets rid of the lazy employee attitude of it’s not my problem. In outsourcing people are much more results oriented. They are more interested in over delivering than under delivering as they realize the importance of the client relationship. Because if they don’t deliver they know they won’t get paid. Now I know not all outsourcee’s are not equal but neither are clients. I’m amazed at the number of companies out there that expect high quality original articles for $1 a piece. It works both ways.  In the end it does come down to finding people you can work with at rates that benefit everyone involved. Outsourcing is a great tool if you know how to use it properly, it’s unethical if you turn it into slave labour to fill your own pocket more. 

  • Excellent thoughts and we outsource quite a large amount of business from copy writing, to SEO, link building and in our finance business we outsource money transfers.

    What I like is that we pay for delivered service.  We started with paying upfront for some of the services to gauge the service delivery and where it worked we did a great deal, when it did not, we took the pain and just cancelled the deal even if we had paid for it – upfront. 
    Outsourcing can really work especially if you have high labor costs, limited skills resources and restrictive rules abounding.

  • I’ve always been a proponent of keeping it local but over the years, we’ve moved offshore except:  on US soil due to federal regulations and supporting the local community.  We always give first crack to the locals.

    I managed my husband’s consulting business.  He was adamant in using only local programmers & developers.  We were paying people $350/hr for the work and due to the cost, we had to turn down some prestigious projects such as one with Apple.  Our gross profit on a $500K project was $2600 without any reserve. 

    We found that the work was mediocre and the delivery was slow.  It was so frustrating that we hired someone to take over for me.  Now, for his tech work, we send it overseas.  They’re fast, responsive, creative and reasonable. We barely have to manage them. 

    For my own company, I hire locally and usually from the local community college instead of the university.  The kids are hard working, eager to learn, and appreciate the opportunity to ramp up into more than they ever expect.  We do use a VA overseas when it comes to research work.  She’s a PhD and doesn’t think that it’s beneath her to do my fact checking. 

    The last time I offered an internship as a favor for a client, the student’s parents declined on her behalf because we weren’t prestigious enough to be on her resume. 

    The world is global now and we all compete on a global level.  That will not go away but will intensify.  Companies have to adjust to the new revolution and redo their business model. 

  • @moneyandrisk Thank you for this very insightful input. i really appreciate the honesty and the comprehensive look at this topic. You have really lived this and this is very helpful advice / commentary. 


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