Rebranding? (35 posts)

  • I owned a business (tea room cafe) for 7 years named after the building it was in: The Baron York. I closed the cafe part in Feb 2011 and moved the gifts and teas to a consignment booth (open 7 days a week but don’t have to be there!!) and tried to increase my online presence. I have recently published a cookbook and about to go to a second printing. It contains the recipes from my tea room plus stories of the town and customers. It is available at my booth and online. I am moving to another state and will most likely have to close the booth (can’t oversee it from 7 hours away). Should I keep the name, The Baron York, as I focus on speaking and selling the cookbook or should I start over and brand myself under my own name. (Sorry if this question is too long.) I am working on another book, self-help with life lessons from tea, and a short soup cookbook.

  • @deairby

    There’s no right answer for this. A local restaurant was called Local 188 in part because it was at 188 Congress St. Then it moved, but didn’t change it’s name. People still went b/c the food and the vibe were great.

    Do people know you as The Baron York? If so, stick w/it. The benefits of using a name not your own is you can sell the brand down the road.

    You can also brand both yourself AND TBY if you so wish. I’m attempting to do the same myself by branding my company (flyte new media) as a web design and internet marketing company, as well as myself, someone who writes and presents on similar topics.

    Don’t know if this helps.

  • @rich-brooks Thanks, Rich. It does help. It confirms what I’m thinking. Since I want to continue to sell the cookbook which is based on my years at The Baron York I need to keep that brand. I will also add myself as a brand and branch out into other things through that. Good idea about selling the brand later!

  • @deairby – If you had not told us where the company name originated, I would have associated it with tea and something English (which of course goes with tea).  I don’t think you have to change the name in this instance just because you are changing locations.  In this instance, I think the company name works with the whole theme.

    This of course is not always the case.  In many instances, I think people should stay away from linking locations or even their names to companies.  What happens if you name a company John A. Smith and then you, John, sells the company?  So I think all business owners need to really think through the process at the beginning.

    But as I said, even though your company is originally based on location, the name works with the theme.  Continue to brand the company and brand yourself too.

  • @deairby  Dea, your name is very interesting and I think it should be an integral part of your new brand.  One of the pieces of this brand is The Baron York.  Other pieces are your life-lessons w/tea and soup cookbooks.  I envision your name at the top of everything, a la: Dea Irby’s “The Baron York Cookbook” and Dea Irby’s “Life Lessons and a Cup of Tea.” 

  • @bethnovick Thanks, Beth, for your input. We have just recently found out we are moving to another state! Very far away from The Baron York origin but the main product I have in hand to promote is the cookbook with stories and recipes from The Baron York. I like the idea of putting my name first and expanding.

  • @deairby – good luck with the move!

  • @lisaschulteis thanks, that’s why I’m trying to rebrand or re-invent myself. What is my identity? Who am I? What do I know that anyone would want to learn from me? I’ve had many different life experiences: mom of 8 (same husband, same body), grandmom of 8 (so far), have two married children living out of the country, owned a tea room for 7 years, a playwright/director/producer, cookbook writer, chef, blogger, pastor’s wife, homeschooling mom, weight loss coach, social media student! lover of Truth, believe in the uniqueness of every created person….

  • @deairby  Dea, if all you had accomplished in life so far was raising 8 children, you’d still have tons of wisdom and experience to share.  You really do have a fascinating life that I’m sure others would enjoy reading about and learn from.

    I see you’ve been a weight loss coach…in addition to personal training, I’m a food coach, which is a somewhat different path.  When you have a moment, check out my website, Lasting Change.

  • @deairby – Mom of 8???  You just trumped me!  

    Based on everything you have done, I think branding yourself would be best and then the books, the tea room, etc, would be considered products.  It goes back to what @bethnovick recommended in terms of adding your name to everything.

    If you really want someone to help you laser-focus your branding, I highly recommend Liz Goodgold.  She is amazing – and honest!

  • @deairby you have an amazing story and experience!  I agree that you should definitely get your name associated with everything you do to help the transition from the Baron York to you and what you do today.  I wouldn’t lose the old name though, that’s a great story and piece of history that can lend itself to your brand.

  • @bethnovick went to your site, awesome, that’s what I’m talkin’ ’bout! (However, my trip around the world for six weeks and the holidays have sidetracked me…)

  • @lisaschulteis Lisa, thanks so much for the link to Liz. You are so right….a wealth of info! (I forgot to mention that I have traveled around the world, am a tea expert (to the degree that I know more than the average bear) and am a speaker.

  • @carolinechen-whatley Thanks for your comments, Caroline. Should I change my email address from thebaronyork@gmail.com to deairby@gmail.com or get a domain deairby.com and have info@deairby.com for an email? arggghhhhhhhhhhhh decisions…not like any of them will end the world!

  • @deairby I am a huge fan of having your own domain name, so deairby.com would be my choice.  Also – instead of info@ I would do dea@ – it’s more welcoming and friendly.

  • @deairby I agree with @lisaschulties on your own domain name. If you want to keep dea@ for your primary email and develop a website alias to help with spam, I would avoid “info@” and as she suggested go for something friendlier and more unique.

  • I think you look more serious if you do move off of free emails and actually have a real domain.  With how easy it is to integrate things into gMail, you can still keep gMail as your central checkin spot but receive and send out email as your domain name.  If you need help on how to set that up, drop me a line once you get your domain email address setup.  It needs to be pop-enabled account, which most are these days.

  • @carolinechen-whatley thanks, Caroline- only question about my name is DEA is also Drug Enforcement Agency!

  • That’s funny.  I never thought about that @deairby.  What about dirby or just di?

  • So I should consider that? @carolinechen-whatley Lady Di (naw!) or dirby like the kentucky dirby? back to the drawing board….my ‘platform” if you will as a speaker is to encourage each person to be the unique creation he or she is and fulfill the works he or she was meant to do… could a nickname work? This is why I keep going back to The Baron York, a brand I built for 7 years. aaaarrrrggghhhh

  • Thanks @deairby et al. This thread of discussion is very helpful as I consider my personal brand management. 

  •  I’m glad it helps. @klassikurvz Tell more….

  • Several years ago I created a brand name (Klassi Kurvz) for a desktop publishing business (hobby and passive income) I was enticed to do brand management and marketing for an overseas company.  As a bonus, I had the opportunity not only to teach but also to mentor students. It has been fun, rewarding and positive experience. The company’s brand has become the hallmark of success.

    In recent times, I have a strong yearning to renew Klassi Kurvz and promote both my name and my company. My challenge is how to infuse all the creative things I love to do into Klassi Kurvz so that I can help small business owners.

    It was interesting to read the advice about info@ because to me it seems impersonal. I also found @lizgoodgold to be resourceful. Another point was whether to just promote my name only or both. I decided to do both so that I can co opt others to help to fulfill the mission. I hope to write a 30 page inspirational book in 2012, so the responses have been very helpful.

    Cheers to an extraordinary 2012!!!

  • @klassikurvz thanks for sharing, Shereece. I believe 2012 WILL be your year! I too found Liz Goodgold (wonder if that is really her given name?) very helpful.

  • @Dea — I think rebranding is an interesting term here. Clearly, you’ve changed your business model. That needn’t change your “brand”. I really think you have an opportunity to expand the awareness of your distinct brand using social media.

    One of the reasons I was so excited to be part of this club group is to learn how to use social media. I’m just learning sooooo many things. How exciting for you if you could expand the market of The Baron York. 

    Is there a way you can leverage social media for The Baron York in addition to building your personal brand as a speaker/author? Heck, is there a way to expand The Baron York to include cookbooks, chef’s supplies, etc?

    What’s possible? 

  • @pronoya Hey Daniel, thanks for checking in! Listen, the sky is the limit with social media because there are no geographical limitations. The adventure is about to get crazy with brain overload, scout. Already from SME I’ve gotten a guest post on a fellow member’s blog site! Woohoo. And if you are interested in the branding subject the link that was suggested by @lisaschulteis for LizGoodgold is great.

  • Hello Dea! First of all where can I find your tea room cook book? Lol (seriously, where?) Secondly, branding is tricky because branding refers to how others view your business. If you feel your atmosphere, decor and over all feel match the presence of your name, why change it? My opinion is The Baron York is a great name for your type of business. If your atmosphere is more of a Western feel (basically if it’s like a typical coffee/tea shop) you may want to rethink the name. Imagine, for example, Duncan Donuts was renamed Windy O’Neils. As a potential customer you would be confused by the name and not sure exactly what to expect. It’s just awkward and out of placed. Ultimately you have to think about how you want people to view your business, then plan necessary steps to ensure they do view it that way. I could also see The Baron York being a great name for a pub!I hope this helps and I wish you the best of luck during your move! (don’t forget about letting me know where I can find the book) :)Take Care!

  • @sgsrecording thanks for the input. here’s where you can go The Baron York  HOWEVER, you will need to wait just a few weeks because I’m having to reprint…I’m out of books-woohoo, sold out since my first release at Thanksgiving.

  • @deairby You sold out! WOW. I know this may be asking a lot but is there any way u can give me tips? We released comic books and are working on getting into comic shops. We are trying to move a lot of issues! Our website will be done within a week and we are really going to push it out. Do you have any suggestions, tips or anything? Clearly whatever you are doing is very successful! Congrats! :)

  • @deairby and anyone else looking at rebranding / creating a brand.

    Here are five common sense questions you might want to answer.

    1. What’s the obvious emotional truth for your brand?

    2. Therefore, what business are you really in?

    3. Therefore, at whom is the brand aimed? (Mindset, not demographics)

    4. What are the personality traits that will magnetically attract this mindset?

    5. What’s the organizing idea, that captures the essence of the brand, that the users will want to champion?

    I have found these questions useful in helping coach people ride the brand building motorcycle confidently. But they can be difficult to answer without having an example to follow.

    Unfortunately, I make it a policy not to disclose these answers for my own clients. Because it’s the equivalent of giving away Coca-Cola’s formula.

    Here’s how Social Media Examiner, a brand we’ve all become attracted to, may have answered them. (By the way, most strong brands get built intuitively. But if you feel you need to be sure that your brand is not wobbling, using common sense to answer these questions concisely, helps.)

    1. What’s the obvious emotional truth for your brand? People find the rapid changes in Social Media frustrating 

    2. Therefore, what business are you really in? Helping people stay abreast of the rapid growth in Social Media 

    3. Therefore, at whom is the brand aimed? (Mindset, not demographics) Those who want to stay in the forefront of using Social Media well

    4. What are the personality traits that will magnetically attract this mindset? Helpful, Informative, Engaging

    5. What’s the organizing idea, that captures the essence of the brand, that the users will want to champion? Examining how changes in Social Media can help businesses. The name of the brand almost follows.

    @deairby. You’ve already provided us with excellent insights into your personal brand. Would you like me to take a bash at answering these five brand building questions on your behalf? 

    If you answer them yourself, you will feel more sure of riding the brand building motorcycle confidently.

  • @sgsrecording just found your reply, how exciting about your comics. Tell me more about your project. One thing that helped me was pre-sales. I raised the money for printing through a crowdfunding site , Kickstarter.

    @sumitroy thanks for taking the time to reply, your input is very helpful information

  • @deairby Hello! Iv love to tell you a little more about my comic :) the comic is kind of long to explain but if you are into that type of stuff I can send you digital copies :) If your not into comics and stuff then the comic is basically a sci-fi war story with a lot of historical references from real history. .. A little off topic .. Have you considered making an app for your business? My business partner and I love teas and love trying new ones and new recipes. I’m experimenting with using an app in Apples App Store to market my comic book. It’s something I created and not many people see it as possible but it’s never been done so I think it’s worth a shot. I am going to make a full analysis report and post it in the forums in a few months (I know seems like a while but I need time to get accurate results) and let people know how my marketing plans works. Anyway sorry to make this message so long. Good meeting you here and I’ll see you on the forums! :)

  • @sumitroy, great questions and a good starting base for rebranding! I suggest to my clients that the struggle over using your own name vs a company name has more to do with your comfort level.

    Many people feel more secure use a company name because it gives them a focus and distances their complicated and busy life from the business venture. Others just don’t want to be asked for all the time – think Paul’s repair shop; not many customers will ask for John.

    Your business name does not change the branding/rebranding process and in fact can (and should be) an integral part of the process, not seperate.

    Good Luck!
     

  • Dawn, good input@roguecitrus 

    interesting comic subject, where are you in the process of this project?and, I am very interested in the app you are developing, wow, how helpful will that be for us @sgsrecording

  • @deairby They are printed and published :) We have them for sale on our Facebook page and our website will be done in about a week :) Im not sure how you are phrasing the question lol if you mean how helpful will that be for your business, I’m not sure, I don’t know your business as well as mine lol. Maybe put some of your recipes in there and which teas are best to enjoy them with. Put your shops menu on it, maybe special deals every week or month, like ‘buy one get one half off’ type things. It took me months to plan my game. You have to plan the best layout and interface. Just know that digital sales rely on volume. My printed comic sells for $5 online but the digital copies will cost $1. It’s just how the market is. Also, there is A LOT less cost involved such as no printing or shipping cost. Maybe digitize your published book? Look up what other digital books like yours are selling for and go from there. There’s countless possibilities!! :D


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