Ghostwriters??? (16 posts)

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  • Anyone using a ghostwriter? How and When do you hire a ghostwriter? How do you find one? Are they the luxury of the wealthy? Are they for people who can’t write themselves or don’t have time to do it? How does one go about becoming one? Sorry for all the questions. This subject simply intrigues me. :) :) ;)  

  • One of my favourite subjects! I used to ghost write for local politicians (from speeches to sensitive correspondence) then Executive Directors for a non-profit to real estate agents (blogging). It is extremely fun and research heavy, a couple of my favourite things.
    How/When/Why to hire: The writing should be stategic and well planned out. There should be a purpose and a schedule for all writing. It’s a very focused position that requires the writer and the person you are writing for to develop an open rapport to convincingly deliver the copy, whether a speech, article, blog or other. My experience has been that most people can or believe they can write but I’ve had amazing success with showing people that it is actually a specific skill set to connect with the audience.
    How to get employed: I have a PR background so it was an easy transition for me within my daily duties. To go out and get a client, I would suggest starting with a specific target audience. let’s say real estate(an easy one as information changes rapidly). Start researching and writing about it, make connections and offer editing/strategy services to begin with and make your way into a regular ghost writer. Write articles wherever you can, local paper, industry papers, etc. Another option is to offer “canned” solutions or articles you can purchase specific to an industry, community event, world event etc. that ties in with what they are specifically doing.
    One word of caution, no one I’ve worked with would accept writing for two or more people in the same field. That may just be my experience but I don’t really think so.  
    GL @deairby, keep us updated!

  • Dawn, love your enthusiasm! as well as your knowledge. @roguecitrus

  • When I was in pr, I used to ghost write for the president of our company. Since going out on my own, I’ve done a number of ghost writing gigs. I even ghost wrote a blog (for a bank) for a while from the perspective of a 30-40 something mom with teenage kids.

    I agree completely with Dawn about strategy and planning. Set clear objectives and work with the person to establish the voice. Of the two company presidents I worked for when in p.r., I could never capture the one’s voice and the articles never seemed to work. I think a big part of that was because she wouldn’t take the time to discuss her objectives or what she wanted to accomplish with the piece. With the other president, we always met for a few min (often phone or even email) to clarify the exact message and key points he wanted to cover. The more we did it, the easier it became.

    I really like Dawn’s idea of producing canned content–especially for a group like Real Estate agents. Real Estate agents need content but most aren’t writers and most can’t afford/don’t want to spend the money needed to hire a good writer. Selling good content that can be used by the group can be a good way to go.

  • @deairby  Just my 2 cents … as I ghostwrite for a number of my clients.

    Canned content for more than one person is just plain BAD! If one uses an article that is already posted on the internet, then Google gives them no credit for the content. The only site that gets credit for the content is the very first site that put up the content. So a realtor, buying canned content, thinking they’re building their search engine optimization is actually doing NOTHING for their site and just throwing their money away! Google wants unique content! So every article posted on each site needs to be unique. Bottom line here … DO NOT buy canned content.

    My suggestion … write a rough draft for an article (100 – 500 words) and then send it to a “ghostwriter” or editor who will correct the grammar, add keywords and make the article readable and interesting. This is the best way to get unique content, in your voice for your website or blog.


  • @amyhallbiz @jim-lodico @deairby… You should not only be thinking about writing for the web only as a ghostwriter, you need to think on a pr level where there are speeches, press releases, correspondence, networking … anything that is written to connect to an audience. My experience has been, other than blogging (as an extension of a conversation, or pseudo conversation) more people have been interested in ghost writing for traditional pr writing.

    Canned content can be an idea that is modified for individual audiences. If you take the one stategic idea or local event then you can create multiple uses with the same content, different angle.  Real Estate is an ideal situation for this as the same basic information will be relevant at the same time. 

    Editing is it’s own specialised field. I believe the start expectations and needs to be completely different.  

  • @amyhallbiz Please note that I wasn’t talking about canned internet content.That is one of the biggest mistakes Real Estate agents make. I actually just wrote a post where I included an example of what must be a Real Estate agent’s favorite canned content (http://wp.me/pmq1M-gN).

    Yes. Google wants original content and duplicate content will only hurt a website’s ranking.

    However, take that same content to a group of Realtors, turn it into an email newsletter that each of them can brand and send to their lists and you’ve got something.

    I used to have a Real Estate office where I would provide monthly articles on local market conditions. The agents would take the articles, insert them into their monthly newsletters and put their name on it. As long as there wasn’t too much overlap in their lists, it worked great. Provided affordable content to the group and I was happy with the total from the subscribed group.

  • @deairby If you are going to use a ghostwriter, ask to see a code of ethics statement. Unfortunately, there are a number of people who plagiarize or take someone else’s well-written content and pass it off as original by substituting a bunch of synonyms. Others might sell/share the content you paid for to multiple individuals to increase profit. You also need to be able to specify whether or not your ghostwriter publicizes your working relationship (there are pros and cons both ways). Above all, you want someone whose writing style will reflect your voice and the degree of professionalism (good spelling and grammar, too) you want to project.

  • @deairby. As a ghostwriter hopefully I can answer some of your curiosity:

    Clients hire for a number of reasons: 1) They don’t have the time 2) They don’t know how to put their knowledge into words 3) They know what they want to say but when they try to write it down it just doesn’t come across right 4) They have an idea but don’t know how to develop it 5) They don’t know how to get their message across in a compelling way because their writing skills are limited.   

    You can find one…. HERE! Just kidding :-)  You can search on freelance writing websites and writer communities for someone with a skill set that matches your needs. 

    In some ways hiring a ghostwriter is a luxury but that doesn’t mean it has to be expensive. Hiring a ghostwriter for blog articles is still reasonably affordable. Creating reports, writing ebooks or books is more costly simply because of the amount of time and skill required to produce the end result. If you want a ghostwriter to help you create a biography or longer book then its probably best to negotiate some kind of co-authoring agreement where they’ll get a portion of the sales. Be reasonable in terms of budget and skills required and find what works for you.     

    How to get into it? For me I became a ghostwriter almost by accident. I started writing travel articles because I used to own a tour company so it was my natural default. After a while writing on travel destinations became like chewing on a stale peanut butter sandwich, so I started pitching for projects on small business topics. I worked off my experience as an entrepreneur and this opened up a whole new world for me. I developed a niche working for business coaches on word of mouth referrals. The bonus of this is they have also referred my on to their business clients. I’ve since developed one or two other niches, so really the sky is the limit. 

    My advice if you want to become a ghostwriter would be to think about what you know and what you are passionate about and start pitching for projects based on that. It takes a bit of time to build a reputation but ghostwriting is one of the most rewarding careers. You meet tons of interesting people, you learn volumes, and all the while doing something you love.   

  • awesome discussion here, thanks to all for you input @cherelleleong @debbielynnava @jim-lodico @roguecitrus @amyhallbiz

  • And to all you ghostwriters, how much does a blog article cost?  @roguecitrus @amyhallbiz @jim-lodico @cherelleleong @debbielynnava

  • I’m happy to provide rates to those interested on a private forum but not a public one. There are just too many variables that come into consideration. 

  • @jasonwiser As Cherelle said, there are a number of variables For instance, an article for my clients is usually around 500 words and a blog post is usually less than 300 words. Some clients have pages of information they want converted into a series of blog posts and others need me to do research first. Some people also add “posting and sharing on social networks” to what they need done and the price reflects those choices.

  • @amyhallbiz Good advice about getting the 100-500 word rough draft from the buyer you’ll be ghostwriting for. For me, though, I’d rather get that in voicemail. That way I just transcribe the call and go to work. The buyer usually says more in a voice message, it’s easier for them so they’ll do it more and consistently so, and I don’t end up getting in a time-wasting conversation that goes back and forth. A written draft from them would be great, but I find it usually just creates a mess because then they’re ticky about this and that and inevitably wastes my time. If I start from scratch with their voice message, I can craft the whole article into something they’ll always love that makes them happy and helps me structure my time better.

    Back when people would pay big bucks for good writing, I didn’t care about the time wasters. Now time is all I have and with the low pay people want to give for great writing, I won’t touch a client who doesn’t respect my time. Just me….

    Right now I’ve got a real estate broker in another country I’m writing for and he loves everything I send him. Trying to work out a package deal now so we don’t waste time buying/selling/paying/getting paid. I just stumbled across this new model for getting paid online for multiple long-term jobs up front, so don’t know if it will work long-term, but crossing my fingers. Locally, that’s the only way I’ll work with a client. Don’t have time to waste on only one or two articles for one client. Hundred plus is the minimum because local clients tend to want to be pampered and I have to schedule that in (big time waster). I’ve only done this online as the buyer buying articles, never as the writer. All the same money to me, but I truly like editing better.

    Anyone else selling bulk original articles online? Locally? Mind sharing your pricing? Mine depends whether online/offline from $10-25 per 500 word article depending on original, edited or curated with intros or roundups. (And this from a girl who used to charge 10 times that. Now I must sell in bulk and use subcontracted writers to write first drafts for 75% of what I create, editing their work to my standards so it can be published. My have things changed)!

    Robin

  • Google’s most recent targeting and dismantling of content farms and unscrupulous fake backlinking scams has finally opened up a HUGE window of opportunity for legitimate writers and ex-journalists. Right now, there are a ton of internet marketers trying to quickly teach anyone off the street that will listen exactly how to curate content (because they don’t know how to write and can’t do it themselves, at least well).

    The open door for real writers is that… duuuuuuuuhhhhh… we’re REAL writers and editors. We can write original articles without an editor, can curate content with cohesive intros to make it all make sense, and can actually single-handedly (almost) make our client look like the articulate expert they want to appear to be. People are now… finally or again, depending on how you look at it… in the need for real writers, not untrained backlink experts.

    Thank you, dear Google, for finally making an algo change that put money back in our holey pockets! Our time has finally come again, Yahoozie!!!!!

  • amen, yeah, and woohoo, :) :) ;) @atlantarobin


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