Breaking up with Google? In a relationship with an abusive Bi-Polar Panda? (16 posts)

  • A few days ago I started to notice some bizarre happenings in the SERPs… 

    • totally empty websites showing up on first page organic results for highly competitive keyword terms… 
    • multiple local sites on the first page of Google Local Places for one city for various type businesses with different business names on the Title Pages but with one business name (John) all linked back to one facebook page for a doctor across the country (yeah, it was complicated)… 
    • lots of thin Google blogger blogs on the first page of organic search for competitive keyword terms, along with other empty blogs… 
    • and more oddities. Lots of them. Way more than usual.
    Apparently, internet marketer Jennifer Ledbetter noticed this, too. Jennifer, A.K.A. PotPieGirl, has a love-hate relationship with Google. (Don’t we all, lol)? But she has decided to break up with her constant abuser — Google! 
    http://www.potpiegirl.com/2012/04/the-real-reason-i-broke-up-with-google/

    Are you ready to break up, too? Read this and tell me what you think. Are you wasting your time trying to rank on Google? 
    Is the new “content is king – social signal focused – low-key seo” mantra really a ficticious rankings algo hoax meant to profit no one but deep pocket advertisers and Google themselves?

    What do you think?

  • I checked that “make money online” search today Jennifer and others noticed. It’s not on Page One anymore. It’s rankings have dropped… to the first result on Page 2. Big woop. It’s still a totally empty site with over a billion competitors for that keyword. What’s going on – really?

  • Interesting read. I wondered recently if the google results were targeting my location more. I searched “what do red ants eat” and had local extermination results. I rephrased and landed on a university ant-dude which is what I wanted. I later went Bach and found neither the adverts, nor the ant-dude. (I use ants to feed a pitcher plant, so I want to keep an ant hill alive as a food source). 

     Earlier I had family visit and I was searching raw food and organic food. The results were local restaurants, not raw. Deeper search util I found what I wanted and the next day the search results were what you would expect. (we eat organic, but I’ve never searched for it, I use word of mouth). 

     Could be wrong – I only noticed this twice – but when I start a search topic that I’ve not done before I get local business until google learns what I want.

  • @richardmclaughlin Do you have your Google tracking turned off? When Google’s new privacy policy came out (well the day before it started), I turned off its tracking capabilities attached to my account. I haven’t searched lately at home for anything so I’m not sure about the local results. Love the interesting note about the pitcher plants. I always liked venus fly traps :)

    @atlantarobin My parents have broken off from part of Google by using another search engine – Duck Duck Go. I’m not wild about all that they’re doing but have given in for now…

  • @kc_kreative I turned it off from my PC, but I wonder if it sees be from another device. Not sure.

  • @kc_kreative Duck Duck Go? Lol, I’ll be sure to check that out. Sounds like the place to hide from Google, fer sher!

    @richardmclaughlin Mac, I’m wondering what the heckledoodles is going on with all the empty websites on page one, though. I mean what kind of algo would create those kinds of results, rewarding ZERO content, the complete opposite of what they say is their new algo?

  • interesting, Robin, and, I don’t understand this PANDA thingy? @atlantarobin

  • @deairby

    Basically, Google as set up a high stakes chess game without end. And most every company and entrepreneur in the world has been forced to bet on the game to survive. (Sounds like the Mafia, eh)? When certain players start winning too much, Panda steps in to change the rules of the game, which affects everyone one way or another. New winners, new losers, and mass fear… maybe next time you’ll lose, too. Losers think maybe next time they’ll win. People who watch and analyze the game get just as addicted as the players. Hence the reason for former addict PotPieGirl’s vow to break up with Google.

    Panda is just the name given to a formula update that changed the way Google calculated and determined which website pages appeared at the top of the SERPs (search engine results pages). The Farmer Update was another one that happened earlier. For whatever reason, these updates end up with cutesy names. The stated goal is always to make the results better and giving readers/viewers what they want most when typing in a particular search term. 

    Most people assume that if a business was knocked out of the SERPs after an algo update that that business must have been doing something wrong like keyword spamming, belonging to a paid backlink network, or violating some other term of service. But for any algo update to be followed by a rash of totally empty websites with first page results, well, that’s definitely not an improvement. That’s just weird… and it let’s you know that the stated intent of providing better content results cannot possibly be accurate. No content is not better than bad content. There must be some other goal, targeting something other than just “bad” or “spammy” results. Google’s computers cannot read content. It can only analyze content with some type of formula programmed by humans. What kind of formula would choose “no” content?

    Google watchers have been watching this for some time. The feds have been watching how search results are chosen, too. (Remember the 50′s fixed game show scandals)? I mentioned that several months ago that I thought they’d do something soon, shaking off their dusty RICO laws to start shaking some trees. Looks like that will happen sooner than later, whether that’s just in retaliation for not getting internet laws passed through Congress or not. By the way, I loved The Daily Show’s take on the Government vs Google. (The link was in PotPieGirl’s article or the previous article she referenced). 

    Anyway, it will be interesting to see how the stock market part of this will unfold… especially if any of these things finally begin to unravel. I mean, let’s face it. Has any other business in the world ever had this much control over almost ALL other businesses in the world? 

    Worldwide, most everyone fought back when they felt threatened by our little government trying to enact a couple of laws regarding internet usage. Where’s the outrage over the Online Mafia taking monopolistic and extortionistic control of everyone’s business? Determining willy-nilly who can get found online and who cannot or even who they will allow to do business online and who they will not. It’s called a shakedown. And it’s happening daily in the SERPs. 

    So would you rather be subject to a Big Brother attack from your government or from a private company over which your government has zero control? Or will internet users finally rise up and say no to Big Brother no matter who it is?

    And the plot thickens…

  • hmmmm, guess it’s back to the old ‘building relationships” with customers, no one or nothing can take that away. A slow organic growth is a solid, lasting growth. @atlantarobin

  • @atlantarobin  That was a great article! That domain that she talks about  for “making money online” is 13years old and had solid content for at least 11years. What I don’t understand is that why Google isn’t clearing out their cache and looking at the content that is actually on the site. What does that say that your older content benefits your site the most? It’s just interesting because I’ve seen html sites that haven’t been changed for years have no rankings and WordPress sites that I’ve haven’t done anything with for 18 month have a raise in their P/R and Alexa rating. Very odd ….

  • @amyhallbiz

    The cache problem is interesting, isn’t it? Anyone can view an old site by going to WayBackMachine, so it’s easy to tell what was there before. The big sales pitch right now is buying recently abandoned aged domain names with accumulated backlinks, and tweaking and/or rebuilding it with your content. But I wouldn’t trust backlinks I didn’t create or oversee, no matter how old.

    Across the board, disparities rule Google now. What’s good for one site is not good for another. What’s good for Google is not good for all sites on Google. 

    Basically, Google is now in charge of issuing driver’s licenses and website tag registrations to operate your website vehicle on their highway. But once you get on the entrance ramp, they choose whether you get to your destination, how long it takes you to get there, who gets there first, whether they force you off the road or force you to abandon your vehicle in the emergency lane indefinitely. They have accelerated high speed hotlanes for those who pay a toll fee to them (AdWords). Any similar detour built by anyone else is banned and those who try to take a detour without paying them, then they’ll use hi-tech jamming devices on some vehicles using the detour to disrupt and stop the operation of that vehicle, while on others using the same detour may travel through without even noticing; that is, until they bomb the detour making it totally useless for driving purposes. And now we’re seeing inoperable and parked vehicles air-lifted to their destinations free of charge, as long as they were parked or abandoned in a Google owned parking lot and Google personally benefits financially from it.

    Google now qualifies for all-powerful government status… except no one elected them. They are now a defacto self-imposed world government.

  • @atlantarobin That was a great post! I particularly like her analogy  of her blog’s traffic sources to “ownership” of her blog/business. I never thought of it that way.
    But trying to be weaned from Google is not so easy. Two of my sites are specifically designed for search traffic. I know it would take a lot of work to lower the percentage of visitors coming via search and instead bring in visitors from elsewhere. It’s work I don’t have time for, and I imagine that many other people are in the same boat. 
    So for now, I’ll just keep paddling and hope I don’t get capsized. 

  • @adamgottlieb Definitely the money is in the list (traffic) you own, not one you borrow from Google or rent from another source. But that’s always been the case. If you work for a company, your company owns your client list, not you. Today, a website without an opt-in box is just a pretty sign blowing in the breeze… an expense, instead of an investment with a clear ROI. The money is all in the follow-up sequence no matter what business you’re in.

  • @atlantarobin  By “list” I assume you mean a subscriber list. What you said may be true. But, in the case of the two sites mentioned above, my income is generated by Adsense, as well as outside advertisers/referrals. A subscriber list doesn’t really fit here (at least I don’t think it does- does it?), and it’s my new visitors to these sites,  the ones looking for an answer to their questions, that generate the real income.

  • This Panda update has tanked my sites, and I have no idea what to do now.  My sites are for a large-ish brand (though it is literally a small business run from my house, although few people realize this), I haven’t done any black hat SEO.  The sites are awesome, well-designed, user-friendly, and not over-optimized.  I’ve done everything right, and I’m off the searches now.

    When Panda first started rolling out, I went for breadth, and found many alternate sources for traffic.  Yes, this helps, BUT, it doesn’t make up for dropping from #1 to #I can’t even find the site.

    What changes are you all making in response to this brand new update from yesterday? 

  • I use Google Analytics, Google Webmaster Tools, Google Sketchup, Google Earth and probably a few more.  I prefer Google Search over any other search engine.  90% of those people finding my website, come there through Google.  Over 50 % are Google’s organic search.  Am I going to throw the baby out with the bathwater.  NO.  Yes there are things I don’t like about what Google is doing (you have to have a google account) to share photos on Picasa).  But there are more pluses on Google than minuses.  It isn’t all black and white……there are many shades of grey.  

    Do you submit your Sitemap.xml on a periodic basis?  Do you have your search terms in the body of your website?  Do you have good descriptions for your pictures? 

    Page rank isn’t all it’s cracked up to be.  What about your results?  One of our keywords is JDLINK.  We’re on the first page organic search because we’re one of the only ones who has a webpage for JDLINK other than John Deere who’s product it is.  We sell potato parts all across the country because there are very few vendors in that area.  But If I were to use the keywords Tractors…..you’d never find us because there are hundreds of page.  Even John Deere tractors won’t get you there.  

    Stepping off my soapbox now.Trudy


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