Are we networking? (34 posts)

  • First off, I would like to state that I love the idea of this networking club. Its a great way for people within the community to learn, share, and get to know one another.  

    However, I have some minor gripes with how it is being used.  I see that some people have about 1000+ friends while club leaders and key members to have around 300-400.  It appears that people are just adding a randomly, and I am not sure if that was the point of the group.  Should members try and become friends with every member to skyrocket themselves to the top of the leader boards and move up in rank?

  • .i cant see any  reason to  get involved with   this  ……  .unless  there is a huge prize i havent heard about!!! lol…my  customers  wouldnt  be   impressed if i was an ace here……and  as for likes on my page i need  furniture buyers to like me…. not  random  unlikely likes…   @nelsonta …so ditto with your post…

    i like the  actual netwrorking parts a lot …

  • @annfurnival

    Thank you for your support.  I, like most people, want to learn how to build a better online presence and share information.  There is plenty of value within this site and club that I feel can be utilized for much good.  Networking is a great for everyone. I just want people to organically grow within the community, and not force anything.

  • @nelsonta

    Personally I don’t have the extra time to do that sort of thing, but I do understand your “gripe”.

    I don’t think it’s against any rules and if people are trying to set themselves up as an “expert” then I think it’s a smart strategy. If they’re not including starting forum topics or answering questions in this strategy then I think their motives will be transparent to other members. After all once you’ve accept another member as a friend you can see their point list which can communicate a lot about a members motives.

    Cheers!
    Jules

  • @Juleswebb

    That is a magnificent point Jules! The proof and evidence is out there and plain to see.  We should not be awed by the status or number of friends, but rather the contribution they bring. 

  • For some reason your post is in the forum twice so I read both threads. The proof is in the pudding!!! for sure, like Jules said. When the dust settles points and badges won’t make a difference, the content people have shared will show who really knows. Don’t worry about others motives unless they are spamming or trying to find a date! (if you run across that, please let me know- @deairby @nelsonta

  •  @deairby Point 1 – I agreePoint 2 – U crack me up! maybe we can go on a double date:)

  • @nelsonta  I like the networking terminology that they teach at BNI and The Referral Institute… as I network with a group of people, I move form Visibility to Credibility to Profitability. If I just drop in here, pick up a ton of friends but never engage, I will be Visible but not Credible. As I engage in discussions and (hopefully!) add a bit of value and give a bit of help, I will move to credibility. Over time, with my credibility built up, someone might actually hire me, which moves me into the start of Profitability.

    So if people are doing nothing but collect friends, they will be visible, but not so much credible. Only if they are really contributing and adding value  will they move into credibility. After all – we can all do the math… if they are on the leaderboard and their total points are almost all from friends…. Hmm! Personally, I would  like to score on visibility and credibility.  I would not have put any time in here if I had not found the whole experience very enjoyable, intellectually stimulating and a place where I have learned a lot.

  • @juleswebb Ah, Miss Jules, my favorite techy hero! So glad when I see you pop up here. Makes me feel safer. Wish I had you here to rescue my computer right now.

    About Point 1, me agree three.

    About Point 2, can we triple? Yall will have to fix me up or just let me play tagalong fifth wheel, tee hee. 

      @annfurnivall @nelsonta Nelson, my computer has been totally crashing for two weeks now, and am lucky right now that this reply to your post is getting through, hopefully. Dea can tell you what a horrible disaster this has been for me, and I disappeared from the LeaderBoard for a couple days because of that. So I promise I’ll come back and explain exactly what my personal goals are, how I try to contribute to the Networking Clubs, and what Iusually schedule time for to try to do for new members when I can.

    Having been here since Christmas, and having the notorious eagle eye that I do, it’s apparent to me that people have a variety of legimate goals for contributing to the Clubs, even those goals which include trying to get on the LeaderBoard, and most who do really are contributing. I could give you a list of about the 100 most frequent contributors without looking at any computer data counter. And might I add, Dea and Jules are definitely two of them and you’ll see their helpful information and/or questions often in these forums.

    But, Jules, because the points section only shows activity for a set amount of activity, showing nothing else beyond a certain number of them, looking at individual point lists now reveals little useful information. Previously, that was important. Not so now, since Mike Stelzner made sure that the LeaderBoard reflected only the most involved contributors for the last 30 days on a rolling basis. That way, people can’t just rack up points and sit back and do nothing. It also gives new members a better chance to appear on the board, not like it was when I joined.

    I think Dea can tell you that when I don’t think something is fair, I do NOT stay silent about it. So all in all, given the limitations of any system, I’d say the system is finally pretty fair and balanced. Mike wants contributors and helpers here, not people who focus strictly on any points. He’s made that very sternly clear. And many have been kicked off and banned from these Clubs for not playing by his rules. By the same token, I can honestly say there WILL come a time when we ALL do something without thinking… and WHAM… you’ll get a big RED message warning you that if you do that again, you are outta here! So trust me when I say, Mike really is on top of things here. He doesn’t tolerate people who game the system. He is, however, very fair and just, even standing behind those he KNOWS have no ill intent when others believe they do. I, for one, can tell you I now agree on pretty much all of his decisions regarding those instances. And those involved have proved themselves honorable and are still here doing there thing.

    After a while here, you’ll see what I mean. Forgive me for now, as I must run more computer saving programs before I sleep. Promise I’ll be back…

    @deairby And Miss Dea, what can I say, our fearless leader and Master club moderator? How about… I just love you and would follow you anywhere! Especially to Chili’s! You see, friends, I met Dea in the Clubs, but as it turns out, she lives about an hour away from me, so we met for lunch at Chili’s. That’s exactly why I started the Regional Forums, so others could network with those who live close to them. I am very thankful for all the expertise, help, support, business associations, and friendships I’ve made in these Clubs.

    There is most certainly incredible value here to be shared. I hope yall make the best of it for your business and personal goals, too. We are ALL up against the Big Buggaboo Google everyday no matter what business we are in. Personally, I’ve found the Clubs to be a very good replica and model for dealing with Google’s buggaboos. Once I realized that, I set one of my goals to develop good social media habits here. Obviously, it’s been working for me. And all it boils down to, really, is just making a habit of things that work. Nothing sinister, just the good repetitive habits. That’s all.

    Did I say I only had a minute to share? Woopsy! Gotta go save my computer again…

    Robin Carlisle

  • Well… I am going to come out and say that I just don’t believe the leaderboard is actually showing the most active from the last 30 days. In my observation it is showing those with the greatest points count. Period.

    I know it is meant to be 30 days and I wish it was because I do believe that would be better. But I do not think  it is. I have been hovering around the border of the leaderbaord tracking what is happening  and in my observation, getting on and off it is too directly tied to the total points count for it to be coincidental.

    I have discussed this in other threads here. IMHO, too much weight is given to gaining friends (even if I am doing it myself – LOL!). But I am just rolling along with ‘the rules’ they way they are now and I’ll be OK with changing if they change.

  • @atlantarobin  

    I had forgotten about the update so the LeaderBoard show only the most involved contributors for the last 30 days on a rolling basis. That’s a very good point.

  • @abigailgorton

    It might not seem that way but my guess is it’s because the points are only given one time for each forum post no matter how many times you respond with in that post.

  • Hiya everybody, I’m a newbie here so I don’t really understand what the issue is here and as I often state (check my posts) I am mostly here to learn (of course I’ll help if I can) and as such would wish to leave any ‘leaderboard’ to the people who ‘know’ stuff . (my dad always said that being clever isn’t knowing things but knowing somebody who knows)

    I saw the ‘friends request’ as being merely the same situation as when I’ve been to conferences where, on entering, I would offer the hand of friendship to those already there and if I noticed anyone who had entered after me I would offer it to them too. (I would suggest that new people on here might be reassured by the offer of friendship) 

    I have never been ‘one of those’ who checked someones credentials before befriending them.

    I feel quite humbled that so many of you have checked out my profiles etc before accepting my friendship requests (I’ve updated my bio on here to add more info ) and thank you again.

    Please feel free to tell me if I’m too outgoing but please don’t tell me what my motivations are, feel free to ask, as you can see I’m quite an open book.

  • @nelsonta @deairby

    Thanks for your post.

    First a bit of protocol.  Please don’t post the same darn post in each forum.

    I think you did that and one of them go moved over here and now there are three strands going on.

    Here is the one from the blogging group (which I am now removing)

    • Kristi Hines said
      17 hours, 10 minutes ago:

      @nelsonta It’s the same thing on Twitter or just about any other network for that matter.  Some people want to be friends with anyone or everyone so they can get exposures (or inflate their numbers) while others just pick and choose.   Status just matters to some more than others.  :)

    • Fawn Morgan said
      16 hours, 45 minutes ago:

      @nelsonta I agree with you.  I’m a pick and chooser so I have more time to actually get to know the people that I friend.

    • ianwhiteside said
      4 hours, 5 minutes ago:

      Hiya everybody, I’m a newbie here so I don’t really understand what the issue is here and as I often state (check my posts) I am mostly here to learn (of course I’ll help if I can) and as such would wish to leave any ‘leaderboard’ to the people who ‘know’ stuff . (my dad always said that being clever isn’t knowing things but knowing somebody who knows)

      I saw the ‘friends request’ as being merely the same situation as when I’ve been to conferences where, on entering, I would offer the hand of friendship to those already there and if I noticed anyone who had entered after me I would offer it to them too. (I would suggest that new people on here might be reassured by the offer of friendship) 

      I have never been ‘one of those’ who checked someones credentials before befriending them.

      I feel quite humbled that so many of you have checked out my profiles etc before accepting my friendship requests (I’ve updated my bio on here to add more info ) and thank you again.

      Please feel free to tell me if I’m too outgoing but please don’t tell me what my motivations are, feel free to ask, as you can see I’m quite an open book.


  • i still dont get why  even  being on the leader  board is  important, i hope im not missing  somenthing…..can i  still see  everybodys   posts even tho im  not  friending   them?……anywAY .im  wanting to  be here  for  the  networking  reasons……i love to hear  real  world  examples…

    .what i   hope i  can  bring to  this place is  feedback and  opinion    from    businesses outside the  social media guru world…maybe im like your  future  customers, out here in the  brick and mortar   world,   , business owners who  use  or need to use  social media better… …and im  heavily involved in  social media as a huge tool  for my  store so i know a lot   of  whats  working for us……..  just  saying , if  businesses like me are in  your target   customer field, ask away  and i  will try and  give  you  the  view  from  here……we are all out there to   serve our customers and make money i  assume…. 

    i did  take it that this place was for  small businesses like me    who  use ,love and  depend on  social media   as  well as   businesses  who  sell advice on  social media… i got  here thru  being a fan  on grandma marys   facebook page….

  • Here are the posts from your other one

    • Ry Russell said
      17 hours, 17 minutes ago:

      I don’t see why not as long as they are networking. You get out of this what you put into it. If you add everyone and then not make any connections or add value to the other members you will get nothing out. If your goal is to make the leaderboard than mission accomplished we will all use this tool for different purposes. I would love to meet every single person here and I invite everyone to friend me, but what I want even more is to provide value to each member. I want others to see my post and say: “Ya, I got something from that”. 


    • Jim Palmer said
      15 hours, 44 minutes ago:

      http://www.socialmediaexaminer.com/members/ryrussell/  I agree 100$ Ry. None of us came to this network knowing a bunch of the others. This is a wide, wild, wonderful world out her with lots of folks that may know more, may know less, and then there are those like me who got invited to join, not knowing anything. I’ve met some fantastic folks who have taught me a lot. Some have an attitude, and for them I am truly sorry. I welcome all friendship requests and I will do whatever I can in my area of specialty to help all my friends.Seize the day and make it extraordinary!!

    • Dea Irby said
      14 hours, 29 minutes ago:

      You never know who you will find on here. I have friended everyone and in doing that it is like panning for gold! I’ve run across some real treasures…. Ry and Jim are two I’ve seen around sharing and responding. Ry is right that you get out of it what you put into it. Except for solicitation, which is not allowed, this venue can meet many different goals. What is yours? Are you wanting to connect, find like-minded people? @nelsonta @ryrussell @jimpalmer

    • ianwhiteside said
      4 hours, 37 minutes ago:

      I’m not sure why theres 2 threads for this but I’m adding what I put in the other thread to support the above contributors;

      Hiya everybody, I’m a newbie here so I don’t really understand what the issue is here and as I often state (check my posts) I am mostly here to learn (of course I’ll help if I can) and as such would wish to leave any ‘leaderboard’ to the people who ‘know’ stuff . (my dad always said that being clever isn’t knowing things but knowing somebody who knows)

      I saw the ‘friends request’ as being merely the same situation as when I’ve been to conferences where, on entering, I would offer the hand of friendship to those already there and if I noticed anyone who had entered after me I would offer it to them too. (I would suggest that new people on here might be reassured by the offer of friendship) 

      I have never been ‘one of those’ who checked someones credentials before befriending them.

      I feel quite humbled that so many of you have checked out my profiles etc before accepting my friendship requests (I’ve updated my bio on here to add more info ) and thank you again.

      Please feel free to tell me if I’m too outgoing but please don’t tell me what my motivations are, feel free to ask, as you can see I’m quite an open book.


  • I don’t mean to sound snarky, but this seems to be much ado about nothing.

    I have been involved for 2 months and have found this to me a great place to learn and to help…when I have something relevant to add. I pop in and out when I have a chance and try to respond to any comments made in reply to mine.

    This is no different than any other type of forum, or networking group. You will have people trying to “game” the system for their own personal benefit, and you will have quality people using it intelligently and respectfully. My suggestion would be to ignore the “gamers” and stick with the quality people. After a couple of weeks it became clear to me which was which.

    Bottom line: SME Clubs will be as good as what you put into it. My experience so far is this is a great place to hang out and get better at what I do.

    Thanks for listening and for putting up with my brief “rant”. :-)

  • @mike-stelzner  I apologize for the triple post.  It won’t happen again! 

    I am sorry if it came off as a big deal.  I was really more interested in stating an observation.  I just found it odd that some members had much much more friends than the most of key SME role players. 

    Don’t get me wrong though! I love this club and the possibilities and opportunities it presents.  It is much ado about nothing. We should go on continue making this site and platform better! Cheers to all.

  • I too have at times taken notice of and been curious about those who are accumulating friends but apparently not interested in accumulating knowledge or genuine connections.  
    There’s a wealth of information and ideas here; so much so that one could easily lose track of hours in the process. It’s fabulous! (And my brain almost hurts because of it. :) )
    (@abigailgorton, it’s not really much consolation as I’m just a little drop in others’ leader board bucket, but I actually just canceled two of my early “friend” connections after peeking at their post history and seeing no real activity. That’s not what “leadership” looks like to me.
    And with that … Back to the learning boards I go! :)

  • My OH!pinion:

    Social Media is about connections. For some, that is making all the connections possible.

    IF you think some people are approaching you for other than “connection” reasons, what might those be?  

    As far as “leaderboards” that part is easy. IF you participate, the other people who also participate will know, so leaderboards should not matter, one way or the other.

    As for myself, I’ve been trying to make “connections” here.  Both by adding friends and commenting when appropriate. I try not to “chit chat” too much just for the sake of posting (showing my face or for the sake of points).

    IF you don’t approve of how some people conduct their social media (connections) just remember not everyone is in the same business or has the same goals as you may have.

    It’s not just a two way street but a “web” that runs in all directions.

    :)

  • I have gained a lot by the posts and although It may take a while to read many of them at a time, I intend to contribute as much as I am possible. I have added many people right away, mostly to get as much information out of this, and even though my knowledge is minimal, compared to some here, we can all find something to add, in order to make it useful.

    Thanks to everyone for the great input!

    georgi

  • @nelsonta

    Shoot! You get off the clubs for a day and 18 hours to spend some down time with you family and look what happens!

    Well, I’m late to the party and I see @mike-stelzner has already responded, so I’ll just add my .02.

    There is some gamification of this site, which is meant to be fun and should be. However, the value one gets out of this club is not from being on the leaderboard! It’s from learning and sharing and making connections.

    (Of course, as club leader, I’m not allowed to get on the leaderboards, so what do I know?!?)

  • @ MsSilvr - Nicely put Georgi — different folks will act differently as their business projects and goals are set; met or not met. Learning, sharing and asking is social media along with bunching up with folks of like mind. No real mystery.

    @Rich Brooks — It’s all fun, one way or the other. “Gamification” is a  good word to plug into all social media sites. Some will; some won’t; some will just participate and have fun. It’s all a game, right? Heh. 

    :D

  • @supereb It is fun. I think for many people, the expectations need to be adjusted for these clubs. They’re not meant to find a job or promote yourself (as I learned the hard way). These clubs instead should be thought of as a think-tank for ideas that you can use in your professional lives. If a job opportunity or business proposition comes of it, then great, but that is not the reason for these clubs. LinkedIn is a better resource in that regard.

  • Funny, I don’t even notice the ‘leader board” as I am focused on meaningful posts. Now I see it is on the right side bar! Yes, some people feel the need to friend everybody, but just as in life you don’t have 1000 friends, it is the same here. Friend is just a social media term not the dictionary meaning :)

  • As with all the social sites, I don’t really pay much attention to the number of “friends” a poster has.  I am much more interested in the quality and context of their posts.  I joined this group to mainly learn, as I am sure the majority of people did!  So good luck and thanks for the interesting topic! 

  • I’ve made connections with business people here that I wouldn’t have had an opportunity to connect with elsewhere. I’ve enjoyed the opportunity to make the connections. I also enjoy reading answers to questions that other people ask. Often someone has already asked a question I have, and I can find the answers or suggestions here. It’s been a wonderful learning experience for me. Yes, I am networking.

  • @nelsonta

    This has been an enjoyable and pleasant thread.  OH!pinions abound, I love checking in here to see what the next person has to say. Heh. ;D 

  • SME clubs has become my #2 social media network of choice. I am meeting great friends, discussing things we are passionate about, getting leads, meeting friends, and learning a ton of info that blogs alone could never teach. I am guilty of collecting friends. The leader board is important to me. I hope I have contributed and not just posted for the sake of points. I really hope my thread contributions have been worth the 10 or 20 points. I totally get why there is the friend acquisition incentive for the SME team, and so it will not go away any time soon. You can all reserve the right to accept the friendship or not.   

    @atlantarobin is that all you have to say? :)  

    @abigailgorton I respect that you admit that you are “doing it too” Well so am I because I agree there is just too much a coincidence between the numbers. My vote is to remove the points given for colllecting friends and friends will have more real value. I think the points on friends cheapens the experience and forces us all to “game” if the board is a goal. And for me, it is. Why? because a front page appearance on one of the greatest and most popular Social media sites is no chump change. How much would it cost for me to get there with an ad? 

    @phil_lauterjung It is entirely legit to play by the rules and still be a power contributor. 

    @rich-brooks family time?! Rich, where are your priorities? 

    @jordanrunsit excellent observation ” These clubs instead should be thought of as a think-tank for ideas ”
    FYI: correct me if i am wrong, but it appears that you get 5 points weather your request is accepted or if you accept a request. So in the words of Rodney King, “Can’t we all just get along?” and be SME friends? 

  • @jasonwiser So, Jason…how do you really feel about it? :-)

    Preach it brother.

  • @jasonwiserNot sure whether it was this thread that prompted it, but I think that in the last week the leaderboard has gone back to being based on the last 30 days of contributions…err…points, but it is still sequenced on the total points. My evidence is that there was an individual who was hovering around the 12,000 points mark, but without so much as a single post in the last month, all from ‘friends’. He suddenly disappeared, and got ‘replaced’ by a person with a lower total points count. So now we are now down to just one person on the leaderboard who seems to be there for ‘friends-only’ in the last 30 days. Better than it was a couple weeks ago when there were 3 or 4 such people.

    I’m glad you are willing to say it; For those of us who work as technology consultants, it is indeed kudos to be up there on the leaderboard. I have REALLY ENJOYED these clubs from Day 1. Similar to how I feel about my IRL, BNI networking group – yes it is good for my business but it is also an absolute pleasure to belong and I have learned more than I have given.

  • @phil_lauterjung Yeah I’m only so vocal because i really like this site and the community here. I want it to become the best SMM forum online, and it definitely has that potential. 

    @abigailgorton   IRL, BNI ? tell us more…

  • i like to pop in, show the world that i’m really only “computer funny” then bounce… but i have learned a few things in my short time here so i make it a point to at least stop by once a day

  • @jasonwiser BNI is a real life networking organization. You join a local chapter where only one person form each profession is allowed. You attend meetings and get to know the other people. The idea (and reality!) being that as business owners you have frequent opportunities to refer business to others. As a web developer I do have frequent opportunities to refer to the SEO person, graphic designer, photographer, mac guru, pc guru, printer, etc. Because I put the time into getting yto know them and their products, and because my customers know me already, my referrals are more likely to close than the average lead.

    So it is GOOD for my business. But I also enjoy it. Kind of like participating here – I love the discussions, and I am learning.


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