Are Linkedin Groups worthless? (54 posts)

Topic tags: linkedin groups
  • I don’t know if I’m doing something wrong, but so far my experience with Linkeding Groups has been a complete waste of time. In the popular groups I’ve joined you can see hundreds of messages without any answer, and no interaction. We also have our own groups (around 2.000 members), and the results are far from positive. Have you had any success with Linkedin Groups?

  • @albertmora  I have to admit, when I first joined LinkedIn groups within my industry and geographic area, I thought they were wonderful.  I was getting a lot of information, comments on my posts, and made great connections.  Lately, not so much.  

    The excess of spam in the groups, I feel, is a major reason for this!  Every morning, and sometimes throughout the day, I visit my groups and “flag” posts that have nothing to do with the group topic. 

    Maybe if more people would be willing to do this, or LinkedIn itself stepped in to help remove group leaders that are unconnected or virtually non-existent, then LinkedIn could go back to being what it was!  I hope this can happen!

  • @albertmora I have had mixed results, but recently a steady decline. Mostly now I get sales pitches–not even event invitations, but blatant “Buy my product” messages.

    I do agree with @kimkline — lots of irrelevant messages and even sometimes replies to serious topics are pitches and not related to contributing to the discussion.

    I think LinkedIn needs to carefully look at them and consider some changes. I will say that groups for associations that are closed to  members only do better because it’s more of a networking tool than a “build your reputation” platform.

    On my part, I used to participate far more often, but I’ve scaled back and only chime in when it’s a topic near and dear, or I actually see a good discussion going on. I am also carefully pruning my groups now as well.

  • @joanmuschampfagnani  Well said Joan!

  • @kimkline your note about flagging spam is a bit of a wakeup call, I must admit. I tend to delete my notices and go about my business, which is probably what most people do. This of course allows it to perpetuate.

    It does mirror society as a whole…we ignore things most often until it really becomes personal, and then we wave the flag a bit more vigorously.

  • Honestly Joan, I have taken up the “flagging” as a little personal crusade!  lol  

  • @kimkline I know what you mean about the spam on some LinkedIn groups.  I try to report it whenever I see it.  I do belong to some groups that seem to be on the up and up. 

    @joanmuschampfagnani  I also agree with you about LinkedIn needing to take some responsibility to clean up the place and make it a pleasurable place to network without having to dodge spam all of the time.  I really would like to see the changes needed because I think LinkedIn has a lot of potential.

  • YEAH! Kim, I am glad to see that someone is not afraid of “flagging”.  I meet so many people who are afraid that a big red flag will be hanging above their head if they “flag” a comment or person. :)

    LinkedIn groups can be beneficial, but there are several things to consider.1. Are you in the right groups?2. Are you participating enough or in the right way?3. Are you expecting the business to just come to you?4. Is LinkedIn the right place for your business?5. Do you have a positive attitude about LinkedIn?

    They seem silly, I know…. but  I have had clients’ business explode on LinkedIn and others who were wasting their time. (if any time was actually being spent appropriately)

    LinkedIn would have a hard time policing groups etc… They all have their own rules and some do use it for selling opportunities.  You just have to find the right groups for you. 

    Nothing good on Social Media happens quickly.  Time is of the essence.

  • @outtatheboxmktg Thanks for your great comments Cindy!  I realistically know LinkedIn itself cannot really police groups (can’t blame me for the “rant”!  lol).  But I really do believe that members can!  Like you said, don’t be afraid to flag.  It is true there are groups out there geared to “selling”, I try not to get involved in those.

  • I am now resolving to flag more messages rather than simply ignore them.

    Ironically, I just got a connection via my website that came from a LinkedIn group, and while it’s not a direct client, it represents a great opportunity for me to reach others. So yes, it takes time and relationships, and staying the course.

    We all have to decide how much time is enough.

  • I agree that you should “police” your group to keep it clean and that you also should  enhance interaction, but that’s really a lot of effort. We all know that time is money, so from a ROI point of view don’t you think it’s better to spend your efforts creating a blog/community on your own site? With 3rd parties sites you never know what will happen in the future and you risk loosing all your efforts.

  • I have found that spending time making sure that my Profile is complete and properly optimized has yielded much better results than hoping to connect with members of groups.

  • @albertmora I actually find that group participation will drive new readers to my blog, so they support one another. @don-grandy I agree optimizing your profile is very important, but in my strategy I use groups to reach a different set of people.

  • I use LinkedIn groups to check out which topics are interesting for my target markets. What do my potential customers talk about, what are their concerns, what solutions have worked for others?

    I already got some wonderful ideas out of it. As with everything, there are good groups and useless groups. You have to follow them for a while to figure out if they can be of use or not. I am totally pro spam-flagging and do it regularely.

  • @albertmora I find that it depends on the group. If there is a good owner/manager, then the spam is less. I only have a couple of groups that have good engagement, e.g. Career Network Ministry or Great Falls-Reston Network. Surprisingly my alumni groups have a lot of spam and a couple of my non-job-related posts got moved into the job discussion page so I’ve stopped contributing.  

    @kimkline I have flagged spam or sales messages on occasion. It just seems like a losing battle so I simply scan through them now. 

    Great responses here!

  • @albertmora Forgot to add that I do find content to curate through the groups as well as my connections. I have also learned things via the questions and their responses such as what services are available for event Twitter feeds.

  • @albertmora et al

    I believe that it’s more on the admin than LinkedIn to police these groups. After all, your group is a reflection of you. If you let spammers regularly post (or regular people post only self-promotional content) your group will devolve.

    I run a group for Maine Tweetups. A few times a week I get an off-topic post, usually about a job opening, or someone promoting their own blog post or event. 

    I delete it and send them a note that this isn’t the purpose of the group and there are plenty of other groups to do that in.

    I’m sure that is killing some of the conversation in the group, but this group has a very narrow purpose: keeping people informed about local tweetups.

    I have some friends who run LinkedIn groups and they let anyone post anything. I see the same self-promotional posts in every group, so I stop paying attention.

    It’s a shame. 

    You need to tend to your own garden.

  • @claudiapoeckl good   points … if i   ever  did   jump into linked in  it would  be  for just the  reasons  you  mentioned…..   we always  need  this  kind of info ..even tho the roi  would  be   very fuzzy…

    .right now  in a  cyber place    where i talk to some  target  customers  i  ask if they were on  linked in…no they werent….   so far anyway…

  • I love some of my LinkedIn groups! Other ones. Meh! The more specific a topic the better the group. I get clients from the groups all the time.

  • @amyhallbiz What’s the optimal size of the group for you?

  • @milan-steskal I don’t think it has anything to do with size. LinkedIn groups are kinda like SME clubs. People come and go, but there are certain people that consistently show up and post on a regular basis. So while SME clubs are large it’s that small group that keeps pushing the conversation forward.

  • @amyhallbiz I understand that. But my experience with LinkedIn group is, that there is too many spam, or it’s dead. Maybe I should try a different approach.

  • @milan-steskal Some are dead … I get out of those. But I have quite a few that are robust and vibrant. They have a very narrow niche.

  • No way! It is a good way to to optimize web or ask anything in groups

  • You have to be very alert as to the ones that are non-responsive compared the ones that move mountains ( So To Speak )

  • Linked is dead. People do not use it commucation but finding people with relevant experience for their positions. Some interesting topics attract people into conversations. I did not find Linked in attractive, By the way Kenneth, on your twiiter account you offered free e anook. I followed the instructions but the e book did not open. Can you helP?

  • I have used some of my groups to help get my page to over 100 fans. They have these discussions that ask everyone to share their FB and Twitter pages so that group members can support each other which are useful for a while.  I get a lot of sales pitches and have connected with some members on FB so it is somewhat useful and I’m still trying to figure out how it fits into my current strategy.

  • I tend to agree with @rich-brooks on this one: it’s more often a matter of having a serious or dedicated moderator more than anything else. Most groups I am in also have lost traction through time, due to spam or dead silence after a while. But there are 2-3 vibrant groups I still participate in, and they all have some form of discipline, conversations are flowing and people get out as much as they put in.

    Loved the suggestion of flagging people, though. I will remember that moving forward… :-)

    Cheers,
    Frederic

  • @fredericgonzalo  I agree!  Having a good moderator is key the keeping the groups “spam free” and lively.  I also think the members can help with this also.  Thanks for your thoughts Frederico!

  • good input, Joan, thanks @joanmuschampfagnani Nur, you need to click on Kenneth’s @ so he will know you responded to him. @ilknur @klg007 Rich, yes, it is great moderators!!! :) :) ;) @rich-brooks

  • Thank you Dea. Thats what I have done . Try again.

  • I’m actually creating leads and sales using LinkedIn Groups using a pretty simple system:

    1) I create valuable content (answers to burning questions)
    2) I monitor for people demonstrating need for it (in LinkedIn Groups)
    3) I reveal answers in ways that created cravings for more of what I have to share (provoke interaction)

    Basically I’m provoking my target market into contacting me. I already know this approach works (outside of LinkedIn). I figure why not leverage LinkedIn Groups in a way that tempts group members to email me for more details… or click over to my profile and then onward to my blog to acquire the knowledge?

    (to more clearly understand the thought I just provoked)

    Indeed, why can’t any of you all execute this same idea? You sound terribly discouraged.

    Sure, you’ve got to trust that this will work but give it a shot. For me, the results rolled in within a week based on my 3rd attempt: A dozen or so industry-specific leads and a handful of immediate sales. I love using LinkedIn for business leads because it’s so simple and time effective.
     
    And by the way… I didn’t merely “tell a story” or “provide valuable content” or educate my target market. That’s social media guru blather. I ethically bribed my customers into taking action on something that they wanted to take action on to begin with. I then gave them full satisfaction–useful, actionable answers to burning questions and insights they had not heard before. :)

  • This is very useful advice Jeff.

  • Well, Nur, the #1 problem is this:

    People are coming into LinkedIn Groups armed without this kind of information (that I just shared). They see people doing things that don’t work and have never worked—have never been good ways to network, collaborate or sell. Yet they’re not sure what to do—so they mimic what they see.

    And the cycle continues.

    Yet there ARE a few Groups out there that are remarkable And there are people creating leads and sales.

    I’m working up a case study on one that grew to 2000 members (and is still growing) in just 3 months and has an astounding number of REAL, meaningful conversations going on within it… a small business Group. I will blog about it in great detail—in terms of how to create a Group that fosters learning and, yes, networking that results in sales leads.

  • I also have one, but haven’t updated a lot of information there.I use that for introducing my brand to customers around the world. But not sure if the site is worth enough, my site sells all kind of sexy sleepwear (which we called in Thai ชุดนอนน่ารัก). I still need time to learn more about it if it actually work well. 

  • @jeff-molander

    Jeff, I think you  summed up the problem perfectly. And I agree that it starts when people first join, don’t know how to interact, watch bad actors, and follow suit.

    The time factor involved in flagging people o LinkedIn, here on SME or anywhere else is too costly to keep that up consistently. I know I personally reach a point where I just can’t stand the spam any more, start flagging, then get annoyed by the negativity in repeating that act too many times. It’s truly endless… and I have more positive things I should focus on.

    I also want to commend you on some of the articles you’ve been sharing. Good stuff. Not spammy. Worth the read…

    Robin Carlisle

  • @atlantarobin So maybe what we’re learning is this?

    1) It’s always been this way: Most people have poor networking skills and don’t know how to sell very well. The Web just gives MORE of those people the ability to get out there and demonstrate this.

    2) Finding the “good models” to learn from is difficult because all we tend to see is the noise of “what does not work.”

    3) Creating conversation that has a worthwhile outcome is, and will forever be, a mixture of art, science and most of all is WORK. Finding a NEW way to create MEANING in the lives of another person is a learned talent.

    When I say that the key to creating “content that sells” what I really mean in a wider context is this: Creating conversation that is actually designed to go somewhere is real work. And most of all—in my experience here on planet Earth—I’m finding that the ONLY way to a) get noticed and then b) get into a conversation that’s going somewhere is to have something ORIGINAL to say!

    If you don’t have anything but pre-packaged versions of what people already know and you trot it out in LinkedIn Groups don’t be surprised if nobody notices. Moreover don’t be surprised if nobody clicks, calls, emails, etc.

    We see this in the content marketing industry emerging right now. They’re slowly but surely realizing that creating meaning with content matters and that it must be designed this way… and that tons of (spammy) content spewing from a business is NOT, actually, going to get the job done.

    Quality matters in a digital world (the Web, Google) that tends to marginalize it.

  • @jeff-molander

    Ok, Jeff, this whole thread perfectly illustrates what we ALL wish we could achieve in the way of providing meaningful, sincerely helpful information by way of an engaging, ongoing dialogue. You have DEFINITELY mastered this and elevated to an art form, lol.

    However… it just dang tuckers me out to spend so much time in meaningful online conversations. I always shake my head and think to myself, “Just dangy. Wish we could all just pick the phone up and say howdy and speak our eloquent minds again.”

    You ever feel like that?

    The I think of all the really close friends I have made on the phone out of complete strangers and am saddened by all that missed friend opportunity that’s being wasted while I spend 10 times as much time trying to type out 10% of the thoughts I’d like to share with a person or connection online. It’s frustrating to me… and I usually don’t waste the typing time anymore.

    But when someone comes along… who’s a great read… and who actually has something interesting to share… like you… I think it’s worth telling them so.

    Even if it does take up soooooooooooo much of my little old lady time in typing all these dang wordy words. :)

    What a word artiste you are, dear Jeff!
    Robin Carlisle

  • Hey, Robin… what a way to wake up. Thanks for the kind words. But here’s the kicker. The whole “summary” thing I just laid out served a purpose—for me (the content marketer). Point being this: I spent the time having online/flat/text-based dialogue (I totally agree) yet, somehow, managed to connect with you (right?) in a meaningful way. Heck, it sure took some time to formulate the thoughts and then write you. Yes. For sure. But then I re-read my points and a light bulb went off. This happens frequently for me… and I’d bet others too.

    I realized my comments here were a really focused, articulate, helpful blog post waiting to happen.

    The exchange we had allowed me to get really, really clear and—as someone who gets paid to communicate—that is money in the bank. More specifically, I invested time writing dang wordy words that someone might actually:

    a) take the time to read
    b) take something from (that can grow their business)

    … if I released them on the Web. Not verbatim, of course. That means more work but the work is a writing+lead capture *system* that I’m following.

    You can see the result here:
    http://www.jeffmolander.com/improvement-101/best-practices-for-linkedin-groups/

    Hey, I might be a master in your eyes but this is a practice… a discipline. I’m committed! :) (because it works!)


  • @jeff-molander- What I have just found out recently, is that like some others have said the more focused your group is the better. I have joined many groups over the years in Linked-in and have had dismal results. I have contributed to many discussions but it seems like the discussions never went anywhere or they were lost in the internet space after a few months of silence. I did recently join industry specific groups and like you said created a burning question that many people have in regards to this service that I offer. It turns out from just one question I created 5 leads that at this point look very good. Only time will tell, but each one of them asked me to email them or call them with more information.  I think just like anything, the more time you invest in conversations with real people the better off you will be in the ” long run”. This is not an immediate business generator, but over time it can be. I also have focused more on Linked in and have seen many “Classes” out there that I am investigating to create that WOW factor. I do appreciate your time and I am going to review your blog. I do have one piece of advice, if you are going to tackle groups, make sure you do participate in them. I joined many groups and now I am faced with deleting groups that are in-active that take a lot of time, not only to figure out how to delete a group (eventually figured it out, not a simple process) so I can add other groups that are suggested to me. Thanks for your information, I do appreciate all the work you have put into this. Like you said ” I am committed ”

  • So for those of you who believe in groups, is there an optimal number? I know I’m guilty of being in way too many groups. I want to only be a part of groups that are meaningful and where I can add a lot of value. I also see way too many groups all about promotion. My target market should be a key part of LinkedIn, but I have a hard time wading through the spam.

  • I use to participate a lot in the groups. But that was when it was new and you had reputable professionals starting the conversation.  People that you would not normally have access to and it was interesting hearing what they thought. Sort of like being invited to a special conference.  Then the marketers got involved and it became a source for spam…. the truly interesting people dropped out and all that remained was the spammers.  Now does it work.  I guess that’s a good question. I advertised on Linkedin and for $72.00 accomplished something that I couldn’t accomplish on Facebook or in the newspapers. So it works.  You still get access to people …. you just search the ones you want.

  • I use to participate a lot in the groups. But that was when it was new and you had reputable professionals starting the conversation.  People that you would not normally have access to and it was interesting hearing what they thought. Sort of like being invited to a special conference.  Then the marketers got involved and it became a source for spam…. the truly interesting people dropped out and all that remained was the spammers.  Now does it work.  I guess that’s a good question. I advertised on Linkedin and for $72.00 accomplished something that I couldn’t accomplish on Facebook or in the newspapers. So it works.  You still get access to people …. you just search the ones you want.

  • I use to participate a lot in the groups. But that was when it was new and you had reputable professionals starting the conversation.  People that you would not normally have access to and it was interesting hearing what they thought. Sort of like being invited to a special conference.  Then the marketers got involved and it became a source for spam…. the truly interesting people dropped out and all that remained was the spammers.  Now does it work.  I guess that’s a good question. I advertised on Linkedin and for $72.00 accomplished something that I couldn’t accomplish on Facebook or in the newspapers. So it works.  You still get access to people …. you just search the ones you want.

  • I use to participate a lot in the groups. But that was when it was new and you had reputable professionals starting the conversation.  People that you would not normally have access to and it was interesting hearing what they thought. Sort of like being invited to a special conference.  Then the marketers got involved and it became a source for spam…. the truly interesting people dropped out and all that remained was the spammers.  Now does it work.  I guess that’s a good question. I advertised on Linkedin and for $72.00 accomplished something that I couldn’t accomplish on Facebook or in the newspapers. So it works.  You still get access to people …. you just search the ones you want.

  • @dallon-christensen I’m guilty of being in too many LinkedIn groups too! The daily digest emails got to be too much so I set it to weekly and even then I’m having trouble keeping up. I really find myself active/interested in 3 groups at a time if there are discussions.

    Most of the others tend to be self-promoted blog posts, or spam :(

    I feel it is good to be part of the groups to get access to networking but you just have to read wade through.

  • i have been on linkedln for a while and i find most people want to flog themselves.  However i aggressively went after individuals who would work with me on a free basis for split ownership on a project.  for this-i found it very useful.. i think if one needs to partner up with a team of people-there is a lot of walking intelligence out there that can benefit you.and you have a ready made pool at your disposal… if you look at linkedln only as a who comes knocking to your door then i would say your not looking at linkedln the out of box way.

    only my humble 2 cents worth

  • Like most folks I have joined many groups and found way too much spam.  I have started following people that provide quality posts and I reach out to them to connect.

    Please connect with me: http://www.linkedin.com/in/curranmarketing
    Thanks!
    Steve

  • I think that Linkedin groups are very good, there are some groups that are growing at a very incredible pace. I found that new industries do very well on Linkedin. 

    My groups are mostly CEO’s and key management from around the world from the industry that I am involved with.

  • @rich-brooks I agree, the group moderator has the responsibility to keep his group clean and focused on the topic.

    @stevecurran A splendid idea. Follow people who provide relevant and remarkable posts. (We are already connected  :))

    A suggestion. Download this helpful guide about LinkedIn:

    http://www.how-to-really-use-linkedin.com/authors-linkedin-speakers-sprekers/jan-vermeiren

  • I founded the “Semper Paratus!” group on LinkedIn in 2009. It is a group for active, reserve, auxillary, retired and supporters of the US Coast Guard. The group started out slow but is accelerating at a faster pace now. We currently have over 800 members ranging from enlisted to officer ranks, and members from other government agencies.  There are some supporters also. The group has enabled me to contribute to supporting those who are or were in the USCG. This is important to me since I served for 12 1/2 years and experienced what positive endeavors the Coast Guard takes on to save and protect lives of boaters, swimmers and those in flood water areas. In general LinkedIn groups have helped me to meet many great business professionals. I am also a member of some Sales and Social Media groups. Through them I have networked with many of the best pros in the country. And I meet several more each day.  Best Wishes in your professional accompishments. If I can help you to take on some networking projects: Please feel free to contact me. Have a great week (0:

  • @albertmora LinkedIn Groups works great to us. We had joined various groups that are related to our business. I guess you must join groups that are under your niche. What do you think?

  • @bsummers You’re right. You must follow the groups related to your target audience.
    Let them see that you’re the expert to come to. Or follow the expert and ask for a connection and learn from.

  • I want everybody to know that I have had my best results on Linked In.  My online class has doubled in size since I started a discussion on there, and I recommend it to everyone I come in contact with.  This has been the best experience I have had.


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