cartoon or real avatar? (61 posts)

Topic tags: avatar, caricature, cartoon
  • I have noticed just a few people who use a caricature of themselves for their profile photo. I like it because it can promote you as your brand but do people want to see what the real you looks like? Just wondering.

  • HI Dea

    Good question!

    While having a caricature of yourself can be fun, I would always recommend having an image of yourself, especially when first starting out on social media / online.

    It helps build trust, which is a main goal of social media. It also just humanizes you – something that many businesses forget when using social media.

    Cheers!
    Russ

  • I prefer a photo unless it’s a company and then a logo is fine. I do use an avatar on my Facebook account because I keep it mostly private. (It’s a Mad Men avatar.) Without a solid profile, I’m less likely to want to connect with an account with an avatar or the default image (think of Twitter’s egg). This speaks to @russellallert ‘s trust concept.

  • I agree.  I always prefer seeing the real person’s face.  The only exception would be a logo, which of course, you cannot use on a FB personal profile.  Not only is the element of trust involved, but it also shows that the person took the time to fill out their social profile… a plus in my book.

  • @lisaschulteis @kc_kreative @russellallert well, thanks for confirming my thoughts, we need to keep it personal to build trust…

  • No problems, Dea. Happy to help! :)

  • @russellallert :)

  • ….You all know where I stand with this debate :-)

  • see,. you just complicated the issue! I love your avatar but do you have a real picture of yourself? And,. the avatar is so fitting to who you are! @thatsocialdude @russellallert @lisaschulteis @kc_kreative what do the rest of you think???

  • I have to admit, it is a cool avatar @thatsocialdude :) – however, my personal preference would still be to see a “real” picture.  I guess it all comes down to preferences…  

  • who knows, maybe he (or is it she?) doesn’t want to be recognized…maybe an outlaw or fugitive or….. hmmmmm, it’s to ponder @lisaschulteis @thatsocialdude

  • It comes down to what you want to achieve, @deairby. If you want to build a brand around a fake name (like ‘That Social Dude’) then having an avatar is perfectly acceptable.

    However, I would be much less likely to deal with That Social Dude as I cannot tell who he is (no offense, Dude :) ). Like I said before, it comes down to trust.

    If you wanted to build a blog to re-sell, for example, having a persona is a good idea as it allows you to remain annonymous and then sell the blog off at a later date with no hassles. (An example of this is a guy who calls himself Blog Tyrant and he does this quite successfully).

    However, if you are trying to position yourself as a professional in an industy or niche then you are better off using your real name and photo.

    At least, that would be my suggestion.

    Russ

  • @deairby – you are too funny!

    @thatsocialdude – I love your short, yet effective reply.

  • Hey @deairby @lisaschulteis @russellallert!

    I really enjoy this debate! I am a strong believer in having a personality behind your brand, and as long as it is congruent and consistent, you can really create an impact.

    I have been talking to some really professional (and sometimes too professional!) people and starting off the conversations with “Hey dude!” and immediately get great responses with my character/persona. I can certainly tell you that this would not fly as well with my personal photo.

    When does the real-me person come in? Well, when we take the conversation offline and “in person” :) I can personally tell you that the in-person conversations tend to be so much fun after connecting with clients!

    Rock on dudes! :)  

  • @thatsocialdude – You definitely have your brand defined and the avatar does match your “social dude” persona.  Good for you!  Maybe I am just too serious! :)

  • Interesting perspective, @thatsocialdude :)

  • @lisaschulteis No way! I’ve been reading your posts. People like you make this networking club exciting!

  • @deairby I use twitter to sign into SME so this picture is also my twitter picture and it’s obviously me but my name is my company. I like it like this because everyone gets to see me and connect with me as a real person with a real face. I use my business name simply because my name is not the brand thus not the first name I wanted displayed.

  • @thatsocialdude – thanks for the compliment.

    @deairby – you might have opened up a can of worms!  That’s great!

  • @thatsocialdude @lisaschulteis @russellallert @deairby @kc_kreative Very interesting (and funny) thread going here. While I agree mostly with the side advocating the use of a real picture in ordre to build trust, I can certainly see the point made by that social dude. I guess it all depends on context and on your brand.

    One great example that comes to mind is the mascot used by Banff, in Alberta (Canada). Ever heard of the Banff squirrel? It started out in 2010 as an online campaign where the destination would promote its usual scenery – the Canadian Rockies, snow-capped mountains, pristine lakes, mounties, etc. But then they added this squirrel into the equation, disrupting web banners, making puns in videos. Completely hilarious! You can still follow the Banff squirrel on twitter as close to 10,000 followers do right now.

    My point is, if played well and with a proper dose of humor, an avatar, caricature or mascot can do the trick. But it really depends on what it is you “sell”. In the case of Banff, it’s funny and it plays its role of tour guide for the destination, so to speak. If you’re consulting firm or someone offering services, it’s not as obvious. But I would not discard it, like I do automatically on twitter and I see the egg, with no bio under it…
    :-)

  • Dudes, I’m so loving this thread more than a seamstress! Social Dude, you are branding yourself well, like Bam! or cooking with EVOO! If you were a funeral director I don’t think this would work for you but your aren’t and it is! @fredericgonzalo @lisaschulteis @sgsrecording @thatsocialdude @russellallert @kc_kreative

  • @deairby Why thank you my dear :)

  • you are so welcome @thatsocialdude

  • Dudes, I should just roll with it! :)

  • wait!!! how did you get those pictures in your reply? @thatsocialdude well. duh! there is an “insert image” icon right there that I never noticed until “you led the way, That Social Dude!”

  • @deairby @thatsocialdude @fredericgonzalo What a terrific conversation. Glad to learn about the image in message tip. I’ll pay more attention to the formatting bar from now on.

    Yes, an appropriately positioned avatar totally works. Love the squirrel! I think the branding needs to be done before or as part of a social media presence for the trust to be there. 

    On another note, the Twitter spammers often use photos so having one is not a given connection. I try to review all accounts that I can before connecting (or keeping it). Even LinkedIn has its share of spammers apparently.

  • LOL, I love this exchange!

    I think a caricature/logo/avatar has its place for the right businesses/individuals (i.e., @thatsocialdude); however, most should use an actual picture of themselves. And pictures that are professionally done, not taken by the person him/herself by extending an arm with the camera in hand, or having snapshot taken while at a party, etc. The picture is the first thing people see online, thus it sets the first impression that is very difficult to change.

  • could not agree with you more about the professionalism for the photo @karenataylor you don’t get a second chance to make a first impression

    @kc_kreative good point on the spammers using photos…Beware the web!

    And, yes, this has been one fun thread.

  • @deairby awww you’re going to make my caricature blush :-)

  • I’m thinking I see it! @thatsocialdude

  • @deairby

    Excellent question. The company I own manages Facebook accounts for business clients, and because some of them are corporations with multiple page admins, they prefer to use their company logo.

    I’m not really into caricature avatars, but if you’re an artist or a photographer, posting artistic avatars that showcase your talents could be an excellent way to build your brand identity. And have fun with it in the process.

  • I’m assuming that the business fb pages are “places” pages? I’m still trying to get it all figured out. Seems like someone said you couldn’t use a logo. Where am I getting that? @laurachristianson

  • @deairby

    On Facebook there are personal profiles (you log in via your personal profile) and Pages, otherwise known as Business Pages, Fan Pages, Official Pages (Facebook’s designation), or just plain Pages.

    There are 11 different categories of Pages you can choose from — this helps people know whether you’re a local business, a brand, a company, or whatever. You can decide what category to file your Page under from the “Basic Information” area of your Page, and you can change categories if you want.

    You wouldn’t want to use a logo on a personal profile, since personal profiles are not intended for business purposes.

    On my Blogging Bistro business page, my profile picture includes both my business’s logo and an image of me. You get 180 x 540 px for your image, so why not use all that real estate?  Here’s a picture of my Page’s profile image:


  • @deairby @thatsocialdude  The major advantage I see “That Social Dude” having is that his brand is less egocentric than a brand with a picture and a name. This will really help if Social Dude want to sell his business… Anyone that purchases the business can be the Social Dude. Not everyone that purchases my business can be Amy Hall… (although there are quite a few out there. lol)

    Social Dude has set himself up a more professional business model, which can be resold or even franchised…even though he is just a ‘Dude’.

  • Your profile picture looks great, Laura and Amy, I think you hit on something-ability to resale.  @amyhallbiz @laurachristianson

  • Great points @amyhallbiz!

    I would like to vote in advance to name this the SME Thread of 2012! :)

  • Now, I like that! Truly this has been the best in content and participation and enjoyment! @thatsocialdude

  • @russellallert thanks for pointing me here. I definitely prefer a photo, but really find it unconvincing and off-putting when there isn’t even a unique avatar uploaded. Opting for the “house” image seems to fly in the face of SM.

  • agree, Joan, something is better than nothing, but please have the something be somewhat professional! @joanmuschampfagnani

  • @deairby totally  agree that in business networks they need to represent  well. So, it depends on what you do as a business.

    I just really do not like no personalization (eg the SEM dragonfly, or the FB empty head)

    Great, fun thread!

  • it has been fun, thanks for your involvement @joanmuschampfagnani

  • If a person is online for simply personal socializing, I don’t think it much matters.

    However, if someone is trying to do business online or trying to establish themselves as a person to turn to for answers or help…..

    Let’s just put it this way,

    I may do business with you, but I’m not going to do business with your cat…

  • @deairby good one dea, what should i call to my avatar? a caricature, a real image or a cartoon me ;) just kidding! 

  •  :) Well, maybe you are a character! @moinshaikh

  • I use both a real photo and a caricature. 

  • @thatsocialdude I love your stuff

    Real face is the way to go….unless your business is creating avatars

  • Love this discussion. I was just talking with another group about this. For me, it’s fine if you use a character on your website and as part of your branding, as long as you also have a picture of yourself. For your FB profile photo, I want to see a picture of you if I don’t know you in person. Otherwise, I’m not going to build the same relationship I would with those who use a picture. I understand branding, but the whole purpose here is to build relationships, develop trust, and convert people into clients where appropriate. I’m not going to buy from a cartoon character. I also have a hard time recommending a cartoon to other people because I feel like I really don’t know the person behind the cartoon.

  • Speaking of photos vs avatars ……….I have tried to insert a photo to replace the dragonfly and followed a suggestion in another thread but it didn’t work when I tried.  I just tried here to insert it using the “insert image” but if just asks for a url – which presumably wouldn’t just pick up my photo?  Any help would be much appreciated please….

  • PS: Following the thread – I prefer a photo to an avatar as I like to see the person because for me a face says a lot.

  • Real avatar! I like to see the people I am connecting with! 

  • I am not just a social media architect but I also have a vast knowledge and degree in design. I chose my illustration because I did it myself and like it. But, I do think there is a trust issue and do include actual photos of myself in most of my profiles for good measure. I am a designer in my heart and love doing it so I don’t think it’s far from my true self when you see my avatar. What do you guys think? 

  • Here is the real version…just for good measure of course ;)

  • @laurachristianson~ Love your profile pic for your business page!  That won’t work for my course pages, but would be awesome for my branding company’s page.  Thanks for the Tip!

    @thatsocialdude~ Great branding!

    @redunicornmedia~ I was thinking the same thing.  IF I were to use an avatar, I would have photos of myself in my profile pics. 

    Personally, I do not use an avatar.  I started Facebook with a “Wahol-like” one of myself and my friends list didn’t move unless I added people (and even then, I didn’t always get accepted, even though these people had all known me at some point in our lives).  About a year and a half ago, I changed it to a picture of myself.  My friends list doubled in size nearly immediately without me adding a single person ~ they were all adds from people I had known.  People finally recognized me and I learned a lesson :)

    Note:  My FB profile is personal and rarely includes contacts from my business life.  I do allow subscriptions, and those people get the updates that I post publicly.  Because of that, I also keep a few photos that the public can see in my profile.

  • Hey Allison,
     I love playing with design and do as well grapple with using my actual face in profiles although attempting so here, it’s not showing up. lol
    I agree it’s enjoyable and for me a passion to play with the graphics and design.

    I know many do like to see and connect with a real person. I am trying to take this into account.

    I have become very aware of things like facial recognition and some are very up in arms about it but will have to find my comfort level and work with clients where they are as well.

    Rebecca

  • @dedimason I may have to try that out as I am having a slow time getting FB likes. I want people to like my page because they actually like it though. Maybe having a “real” image would help. I am always up for anything. I have had my avatar for so long now though, It would be kind of uncomfortable for me. Ha! I’ll let you know if I ever do it and the results. Thanks for the story.
    @rebeccacohen I am not too big into facial recognition right now. But I am into video chats with Skype, Google+ hangouts, etc… That’s when I can become a “real” girl again! LOL! It was tough getting into it at first but I find clients, friends, family and potential customers seem to enjoy it once we get into it and they realize it is pretty neat. 
    It seems like even us professionals have comfort level issues and I think it is because social media is still so new and seems to evolve into something even better everyday. I mean, can we even say to someone that we could guarantee anything? Not really since every situation is different and one thing could work great for one person while not so great or even terrible for another. It’s a new world and I love it but it can be daunting and even challenge the most out-going person’s comfort level at times. 

  • Allison, my opinion is most people do not mind animated avatars. I mean, I have been using one for a long time and it has not appeared to have stopped our fan growth. I personally feel that it is more about engagement than the avatar. Once I started talking to people more and more, that is when I actually saw my fan base just explode. Commenting on EVERY comment. Started about 2 years ago and was stuck on about 650 fans and as soon as I started engaging…we shot up to over 30,000 pretty quickly…now we are over 54,000.

    Also, setting real expectations…with social media, it has to be organic. Don’t ever force it. It takes consistency. I am going on 2.5 years and have 54,000 and have worked hard and been VERY consistent. We do not miss one single day of posting.

    Hope this helps a little. :)

  • @davidfoster ~ Thanks for sharing that.  It does get daunting because it’s NOT a fast process.

  • Personally I think a picture of yourself is better till your branded. Once your branded anything is fine really.

  • Interesting debate. I could put my pic up, but chose to go with our business’ face instead. Maybe I get too deep, but does it really matter what someone looks like (judging a book by its cover?) if you’re trying to decide whether to have a biz relationship with them? And if you really need to see what I look like, I’m pretty well connected on numerous platforms. I figure if it’s necessary, you’ll get clickin’. Just in case you’re curious, here’s my current Facebook Profile Pic….

  • This is all very well and I’d like to show a photo but I cannot see how to upload one. I do not want to use a URL to an existing site as they do not fit with this site. Does anyone know the trick?Tks

  • the  face of our facebook is a drawing i did….much neater than our  faces…its  more about  the  buyers  toohttp://www.facebook.com/greenoakantiques.com and when  we run ads  its also there , which is  way  better than a photo…..i use photo on  my  personal page  but not  business….  our pictures are within the  website and  facebook   in  different places………our  fb logo/picture is a house and says  fun for your house….which  catches  the  main idea i want to  send out…


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