Building A Sales Page (10 posts)

  • I wrote a guest post on ClickNewz.com this week – and thought you might like to read it. It is a tutorial where I suggest that the WordPress visual editor can cramp your style!  I am trying to persuade more people to embrace HTML and CSS if they want to design and run their own sites.  Please take a look and see what you think.

    http://www.clicknewz.com/5533/make-your-sales-pages-sizzle/

  • @elizabeth-jamieson Couldn’t agree more – I never use the visual editor! :)

  • @elizabeth-jamieson   Thanks so much for this link!   It answered many questions that have been rattling around in my head.

  • @stevecurran – That’s really good to hear.  Thank you.

  • @elizabeth-jamieson

    Loved your article (and the colors). :) And thanks for all those resources you threw in there to genuinely help people learn how to do this.

    I tried asking you this on your article page, but it kept telling me I had asked a duplicate questions (I dunno what happend :) ). Anyway… Have you used the plugin InstaBuilder to build sales/squeeze/thank you pages yet or do you strictly use a premium theme like Genesis?

    My experience helping local business owners is that many want to use free Wordpress themes with good updating histories (so they can easily self-edit instead of relying on developers who they may have had bad experiences with) and need a plugin to help them build sales/squeeze pages, as they don’t want to switch to premium themes.

    It’s kind of a plugin vs. theme issue that I think goes a bit beyond the “learn html yourself” issue. And I’m talking the vast majority of Mom and Pop stores and businesses who simply don’t have budgets for web-related things, whether they need to or not.

    Any thoughts? Plugin vs theme for sales/squeeze pages?

    Robin Carlisle

  • Hi Robin (@atlantarobin)

    I hope this doesn’t sound too harsh but I couldn’t find a way to express what I wanted to say  that didn’t!

    I haven’t used InstaBuilder – but I’ve seen the marketing for it. My niche is teaching people not to need/rely on visual products because I believe that knowing a bit about HTML and CSS can only help a  person who wants to do their own site maintenance. Tools that lead on how much you don’t need to know are ultimately just feeding a habit.

    The page I did on the guest post was done with pure HTML and CSS.  It just happened to be on a Genesis Theme, but it could have been any theme. So it’s nothing to do with how premium a theme is but everything to do with having a bit of markup knowledge.

    The only thing someone might need a plugin or theme to do is to get rid of the header and the sidebars on the theme when they are making a landing page. The rest you can do quite easily with HTML and CSS. 

    In my membership club I teach the use of Premise for sales pages – not because it does any magic, but because it helps to organise everything to make the building of sales pages a bit easier. But I still make sure everyone does it all using HTML and CSS.  I ban the use of the visual editor to prove to people they were handicapped when they relied on it.  I’ve only had one person complain that it was all too difficult, but he is still in the Club so I think he is coming to terms with it.  I am there to support them anyway.


    But it’s not for everyone.


    Other than that yes, I strictly stick to Genesis only – my membership site is called the Genesis Club.  It’s so much easier to get stuff done using Genesis and its child themes and that is why I recommend it.


    Anyone who thinks they are saving something by using free themes and with minimal tech knowledge are really not serious. There is so much more to setting up than theme and plugin choice alone. There is the installation, security and performance side too. A WordPress site that stands any chance of doing well is not something that can be created with no tech knowledge and without some sort of ongoing investment.


    You are left having to give them what they want, knowing it will never work. That is why I don’t deal with that type of local niche any more.


    Liz

  • Hi @elizabeth-jamieson

    Great article – I will have to check out your club.  I need to know more about WordPress, in general, and in depth.  This sounds like what I have been looking for all along.

    Eileen :D

  • @elizabeth-jamieson

    Thanks for your thoughtful and very relevant explanation. 

    It reminds me of the gentleman here on SME who owns an independent computer store who often has buyers come in with a Walmart or BestBuy ad asking him to match their price on the computer ad de jour. He explains to them that he doesn’t sell just computers, he sells his ability to help you pick the right computer for YOU and the job you want to get done, he sells excellent service, he sells his knowledge, he sells his support, and he gives you the opportunity to keep his local community thriving by keeping the dollars from those sales circulating through their community and not sent out of state or out of country to support someone else’s community. And despite the blood pressure problem of dealing with such customers, he’s going to keep running his business his way because deep down he knows his way is best for both himself and everyone in his community. 

    Having been in the communications business for over 25+ years, I’ve witnessed how “professionals” in this industry have struggled to survive in the midst of these kinds of conversations and against an ever-changing, rapidly changing environment of plug, play, and throw away. I commend you for teaching the masses that there’s a better, long-lasting, self-taught way… with just a tad of learning curve to endure in order to get passed that plug, play, and throw-away mentality.

    Your article made it clear you definitely have the technical skills, the teaching skills, the persuasion skills, and the gumption to lead our plug, play, and throw away generation toward more self-actualizing businesses and less product-dependency.

    In other words… well said, Miss Liz! :)

    Robin Carlisle

  • Thank you @atlantarobin.

    In my opinion,  the best approach for a website owner is to learn this stuff (CSS and HTML at least) to some extent, then from a position of knowledge use the plugins he/she wants to use.  

    It will make him/her better able to use the ones they choose to buy, and also to appreciate fully the job the plugins are trying to do. They’ll get more out of them that way, and also be able to evaluate if they even need them at all.

    I’ve seen people in the Warrior Forum get excited about plugins that do hardly anything! But ignorance means that they don’t know the plugins are practically pointless.

    If the site owner takes this “I can’t do anything unless I have a plugin to help me” approach, their blog will simply have too many plugins. And that is a risk in itself.

  • I hear you, Liz. But sometimes it seems there is no end to my ignorance and no clear path to learn what I need to know, lol. Gotta be a Master Student to survive these days, with or without plugins, HTML or CSS.

    For example, on the advice of who-knows-who and recommendations from Mashable and a slew of biggies and experts, I just changed out my WP Super Cache plugin to the reported faster WP 3 Cache (or some such name).

    Well, yes indeedy, it does appear to have speeded things up, but OMG! The form of options to fill out is waaaaaaaaaaaayyyyy over my head and level of experience. So much so, I really haven’t a clue as to what it was that I just did. I get warning boxes at the top that tell me things are missing, but I haven’t a clue as to what they are or where to look to find them. 

    Now I’m feeling queezy and loving the new speed and instant refresh on the site, but deathly afraid I’ve just done something that spells my site’s doom. Ouchy!

    Bottom line, me thinks you are more right than not about learning basic HTML and CSS. I’m sure I would feel less anxious if I had that HTML/CSS knowledge under my belt.

    Robin Carlisle


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