Blog management (37 posts)

Topic tags: blogging strategy
  • Do any of you have experience with outsourcing certain aspects of your blog management.  For instance, once the vision, direction and goals of the blog are set, organizing the editorial calendar, contacting potential guest bloggers, conducting email/video interviews, and copy editing all seem like things that could be outsourced.

    Thoughts? Ideas on reliable companies that do this?

  • I am also interested in this aspect and I look forward for insightful comments.

  • @caseyvaliant I do everything on my own personally.  I’ve seen outsourcing the management of a blog go really well, but sometimes you just have to be wary of the content those managers are publishing.  Some agencies will get the cheapest writers they can find, and it shows in the quality of your posts. 

  • Thanks, @kristi-hines.  Poor quality is one of the things that concerns me.  We had a company do some article marketing (back when that was big) and the level of English made me wonder about which continent the writers lived.

    I’d love to know where you saw outsourcing done successfully.

    Thank you.

  • Oh no, what happened to your @mention?  Try again: @kristi-hines

  • @caseyvaliant Sometimes it doesn’t work when there’s punctuation right after it.  The system thinks the . is part of the username.  :)

    Honestly, the content quality comes down to how much you pay for it.  Most of the sites that outsource their content with quality articles are paying a minimum of $75 per post, and some go up to $200.  The issue with that is an agency might be charging you $100 for the post, but they’re paying $10 to the writer so they can make a profit.  So if they have to pay the writer $75, you’ll be charged even more.

    The sites I know of that are doing it successfully usually have a part or full time blog editor that oversees finding and managing quality writers, the editorial calendar, and topic / idea generation.  

  • Hi @caseyvaliant, my company Boxcar Marketing is frequently hired to do this type of work but I always start with “why do you want to outsource it?”

    As @kristi-hines says, you are going to do a better job at this. You know your customer, you know your company. If blogging is important to your business for lead generation or sales, then why outsource that to someone else? Find the person in your organization who is passionate about what you do. Or hire that person. The person on the ground, integrated into your company culture, is going to write more meaningful content than an agency. 

    Looking at your blog from your profile, I’d say there’s lots of content you might commission, but having people internally is still a better spend of marketing time and budget. 

    My approach with clients is that yes we can offer help on setting up an editorial calendar, doing keyword research and figuring out where the blog fits in your overall marketing mix. The end goal is always handing this back to the client. We’re like training wheels, eventually you roll without us. 

    Cheers,Monique

  • @boxcarmarketing Love your approach Monique.  When I’ve done social media consulting, I usually help people set things up and learn how to navigate the network.  After that, I leave it up to them as there is no one else better adapted to speak on behalf of their business than them.  :)

  • @kristi-hines @boxcarmarketing you have some great feedback here.

    I also agree with this and think that you can outsource other parts of the business that do not have such a direct impact with your clients, such as tech, or something related.

    Or you can get an assistant to take away from you small tasks that take you a good amount of time to finish.

  • @boxcarmarketing @kristi-hines @eugenoprea

    Totally agreed with you guys. 

    Finding a good writer is not easy and on top of that finding a writer who knows about your industry is a difficult task.

  • @boxcarmarketing Great analogy with the training wheels.

    @kristi-hines, @eugenoprea and @rshahbaz It’s much better to have a voice and a persona for your corporate blog than to outsource.

    One of the most useful things I find as the social media person at our company is having that insider knowledge. It’s been crucial when we have to release timely information. A contract writer may not be able to provide that turnaround time you sometimes need. 

    @caseyvaliant If you do decide to outsource, ask around for some referrals and interview them to find someone who you think would be a good match for your company’s public image.

  • That is some really good information.  Thank you all for the tips and suggestions.

    @boxcarmarketing when you ‘take off the training wheels’, have you trained them in approaching guest bloggers and setting an editorial calendar?  Speaking of an editorial calendar, do you use a spreadsheet or some other software to track the progress and authorship of your articles?

    Also, @kristi-hines, what do you think about outsourcing the editorial task.  I know in the self-publishing book world, you can outsource an editor, do such folks exist for blogs?

  • Yes, Boxcar Marketing does offer all sorts of support, in particular with blogger outreach as it can so easily go awry. 

    Here’s a post we wrote earlier this year about blogger outreach and press releases.http://www.boxcarmarketing.com/blog/item/social-media-for-pr-using-your-press-release-in-blogger-outreach/

    Editorial calendar: We do use a spreadsheet to track progress. I’ve also tried GroupHigh for finding blogs and they have some tools related to how agencies like to track data. 

    Related to outreach and press releases, here’s a guest post I wrote for PRWeb on tracking success. http://www.bloggingprweb.com/how-to-measure-pr-success

    With overall marketing campaigns, our spreadsheet is related to Goals (specific, measurable goals, like increase traffic from blogs by 20%), then the metrics associated with each tactic to do so. 

    The challenge is you can drown in information. As Einstein said, “not everything that counts can be measured and not everything that can be measured counts.”

    I like to use the ABC metrics: Acquisition (where do we get traffic, what #s)

    Behaviour (what does that traffic do on site, what desirable actions that lead to a sale or conversion)

    Conversion (things that bring the most value to the business, like a sale). 

  • @boxcarmarketing, great stuff!  Thanks for the detail.  I really like the ABC Metrics~easy to remember and follow.

    Question: How do you complete the editorial calendar?  How far out do you plan content (topics, themes, authors)?  How do you set quantity benchmarks for number of posts for your client.  Consistency is so important and wondering how you approach this with your clients.

    Thanks again~good stuff!

    Pamela

  • @caseyvaliant I don’t think outsourcing the editorial side of it is such a bad thing for tasks like finding new authors & managing them, quality checking the articles, organizing the calendar, publishing articles in WordPress, making sure comments are answered by authors, etc.  

  • @pamelamuldoon I’ve seen sites do an editorial calendar a few months in advance, maybe per quarter, of specific topics they planned to post on particular dates.  I have also seen some looser ones where it just says Monday – social media post, Tuesday – interview series, Wednesday – SEO post, Thursday – video tutorial, Friday – newsworthy items in the industry.  

    No matter how specific your site is, you have to leave a little wiggle room.  Say you have a post on something simple for tomorrow, but today they made a major change to something that your readers will want to know about.  Why not bump that other article that could wait a week or two and write about something that could help you jump onto a trending topic?  

    Usually, when working with clients, if you present them different ideas, they will have an idea of what would be best for their industry.  

  • Fantastic!  Along with @pamelamuldoon I like the ABC Metrics.  Thanks for the links, @boxcarmarketing .

  • Great questions, and thanks for the feedback. 

    @pamelamuldoon The editorial calendar is dependent on the client. Most of my content publishers (print + digital) have a fairly good idea of seasonality and evergreen content. At the same time they want to capitalize on timely news. 

    I suggest plotting out anything that affects your industry on a seasonal basis, then think about themes and evergreen content (anything that stands the test of time, how-tos for example). 

    Depending on the industry and how active the blog is already, I then set benchmarks dependent on the audience. 

    Forrester’s social technographics ladder is a helpful place to start. If my audience reads content but is unlikely to comment, then I’m not putting comments as a benchmark but rather time on site and number of pages per visit. 

    If comments is a factor, then I like to look at the ratio of numbers of posts to comments in order to figure out economize my time. At what point are their diminishing returns in terms of time spent vs. desired customer response. 

    I agree with @kristi-hines that editorial calendars a few months in advance work, while for others a weekly task-related calendar is more effective. And flexibility to react in a timely manner is key.

  • @kristi-hines Creating a calendar of events is a powerful way to set your goals/plan into motion.  I have a Gantt Chart at the top of my white board wall for the next 12 months.  This way I have the visual of my schedule of events, blog posting, video, product/program launches etc.  This chart is a great tool to help me to see the time frame necessary to set-up/execute/follow-up my activities. Your thoughts?

  • @katiecavanaugh A calendar of goals and plans is definitely a good thing.  I have a whiteboard where I keep an easy to look at overview of what I have going on (especially now that I have before the holidays / after the holidays tasks).  

  • This is always an interesting debate. Many immediately scream NOOO. It has to be your voice but think of it this way.

    Copyblogger is a lot more voices than Brian Clark.

    Social Media Examiner is a lot more voices than Michael Stelzner.

    I think the smartest person in the room is always the whole room.

    Of course there are acceptions where it would only require you and only you but I think collaboration is a winning strategy pre social and will be post social. 

  • @caseyvaliant I’ve talked to a handful of people about this. I think you can outsource the mechanics, but unless you hire very qualified people, then outsourcing content creation can be really hit or miss. To get really good to content creators you will usually spend between 50-75 dollars per post. Of course if you have a substantial network, you can work with people in your network as well. To me great content tells a story, and nobody knows your story better than you do. 

  • Here’s another spin on this….
    It may also depend on your industry and field.
    For example, I am a Stampin’ Up! demonstrator (hobby of paper crafting). Many of my clients are Stampin’ Up! demonstrators as well and hire me to do their blog design (the look of their blog).  However, a fellow Demonstrator also has a Posting service where she literally posts for other SU Demonstrators.She posts about projects (hand made), upcoming specials, featured product, etc.  This helps the other demonstrators as well as build her own revenue. 

    Anyway, I can see this type of angle working for other related fields – having someone post popular and/or generic, up to date info on a direct marketing companies new releases.

    Heather :D

  • Interesting conversation, lots of food for thought as I revamp my blog. Thanks all.

  • @katiecavanaugh Hi Katie, I like you gantt chart suggestion and I wonder how early are you creating material for blog posts? i.e. prep on the fly, a couple of days before, writing months in advance? 

  • @boxcarmarketing Monique, a very helpful post. I bookmarked your bookmark about finding bloggers and approaching them. I see you really do come from experience.

  • @caseyvaliant Yes, it is possible to outsource your blog content. At the same time, what many have said is so true. You need to make sure that you are working with a company that is meticulous about their English and punctuation. You will not find them at Elance.

    Proofreading is an absolute necessity when writing blog copy. But, if you do your homework, ask the right questions, and ask for samples of their work, you can outsource certain aspects of your blogging.

  • Thanks @ianhamilton I appreciate the feedback. 

  • This is a great discussion with lots of great comments. 

    If I had to look at outsourcing certain tasks for a business blog I see different concerns depending on what industry you’re in and what role your blog plays in your communication plan.  Some things might be easier to outsource than others depending on the type of business blogging you’re doing. I don’t see this as a case of one answer for everyone. 

    And another thing that I haven’t seen mentioned here is the importance of the process. Some businesses might be able to outsource more content creation if they had the right process in place. (Or outsourcing content creation might not work because they don’t have the right process in place)  You can’t just throw everything out the window and expect it to all come back neatly and serve your business.  BUT there may be options with the right process and it might take some tweaking to get right. 

    Plus I think the nature of real time marketing means that no matter what most businesses need to provide for flexibility or lose out on great communication opportunities if they outsource too much. 

  • @boxcarmarketing great comments, where do I find grouphigh? thanks for the ABC also, that’s very helpful (going to add it to my newly acquired Evernote)

  • @caseyvaliant   If your blog is based on personal contact with your readers it is always better if the blogs owner or manager personally posts 90% of content, outsource fill in posts such as researching articles that you can mention in a blog post

  • @boxcarmarketing interesting point, thanks for sharing it
    Regards,Sandeep

  • Great for finding blogs and keeping track of them, if you don’t have some in-house solution already:

    GroupHigh is http://grouphigh.com @deairby

  • @caseyvaliant We manage sites for our clients all the time. Who wants to deal with updating Wordpress, plugins, editing videos, coding etc all the time? I think it’s perfectly fine to outsource those things and even copy editing and posting. 

    As for creating the content, finding guest bloggers, video interviews, you can do it if it’s a company blog and the other person is part of your team, but I wouldn’t let just anybody handle my brand unless I really knew them, their skills and ideas first. 

  • @boxcarmarketing thanks for the link to grouphigh, I’m trying to learn all about this, how/when/why do you use their service? Forgive my ignorance but what is a blog outreach campaign?

  • @jfouts Thanks, Janet.  So the more technical side of things you would recommend outsourcing, but not necessarily the content/social side.  What about scheduling the guest content?  Do you see any value in outsourcing that?

    Ooh, grouphigh.  Sounds interesting.  Will definitely look into that. Thanks, @boxcarmarketing and @deairby

  • @caseyvaliant I don’t see any issue with allowing an out sourced person to do some of the scheduling and blogger outreach to potential guest posters, as long as you trust the person doing the outreach. We usually vet the first few outreach posts and check to make sure the “voice” fits etc.

    You can certainly outsource anything you’re comfortable letting go of, just make sure it represents you appropriately.


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